twoflower said:
Could any of the moderator people post this in that Poland-Lithuania map thread?
Talking to em is simply like beating head against a wall..
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Could any of the moderator people post this in that Poland-Lithuania map thread?
Talking to em is simply like beating head against a wall..
I'm not sure that the town in fact is really relevant or important, or what the province is meant to represent. Historically significant Zaporozh'e or Zaporizh'e - the land behind the cataracts(on Dniepr) is in fact the territory from Krivoy Rog to the Dniepr river, where the Cossacks had their semi-state. The coastlines and a significant part of the hinterland were crimean lands until Yekaterina II.
Ok, now to other things. Isn't upper Bavaria/Oberbayern the one which is closer to the alps, the southern part, while the southern part is Niederbayern. Then you, afaik, misspelled Niederösterreich(you have Neiderosterreich) and Oberösterreich(you have Öberosterreich). Your 'Strasburg' should either be spelled french (Strasbourg) or german (Straßburg). In Anatolia, why do you take "Nicomedia" instead of "Bythinia"? Just curious. And wouldn't Phrygia be rather in Anatolia province? Anyway, for God's sake, don't listen to those guys and keep the ancient names. While being at it, why not call Baghdad 'Mesopotamia', or 'Al-Jazirah'? It would be preferable to use regional names over city names whereever possible.
In Syria, my favourite crusading site, I can block any troop movements from Syria province into Tadmoor province by taking Tripoli. Isn't it unrealistic? Speaking of crusaders, what happened to Malta? Do you have a particular reason for removing it?
After the death of Ladislaus Postumus in 1457, Austria was partitioned between Friedrich V (Emperor Friedrich III) and his brother Albrecht VI by a treaty signed on June 27th 1458, with Friedrich getting Lower Austria and his Albrecht Upper Austria. This partition lasted until Albrecht got Lower Austria in the Peace of Korneuburg on December 2nd 1462 (which ended the fierce war between them).Zelvik said:
Upper Austria was pawned to Bavaria in 1620 in exchange for Bavaria's support against the Bohemian rebels and the Union and given back to Austria in 1628 because huge peasant revolts had made it too much of a liability for Bavaria.
Can I submit you my humble modification ?
#Provinces names :
Metz -> Trois-évêchés.
Lille -> Lillois
Calais -> Calaisis
Toulouse -> Toulousain
Bar -> Barrois
Strasbourg -> Nordgau
Île de France -> Île-de-France
#Borders :
In Normandy -> "Normandie" and "Caux". (for Seine river)
In Britanny -> "Léon", "Cornouailles" and "Hautes-Bretagne". (following Kerloic suggestion)
#Rivers :
Seine.
Loire (Great importance during HYW).
Garonne
Rhône
#Provinces names :
Metz -> Trois-évêchés.
Lille -> Lillois
Calais -> Calaisis
Toulouse -> Toulousain
Bar -> Barrois
Strasbourg -> Nordgau
Île de France -> Île-de-France
#Borders :
In Normandy -> "Normandie" and "Caux". (for Seine river)
In Britanny -> "Léon", "Cornouailles" and "Hautes-Bretagne". (following Kerloic suggestion)
#Rivers :
Seine.
Loire (Great importance during HYW).
Garonne
Rhône
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If ponthieu is given to picardy, does this make calais unclickable or something?
suggestion: Also, why should Anjou be entirely above the Loire? The southern portion of Anjou could be incorporated into Berry - Anjou south of the Loire was never conquered by the English. We could also chop off the south western tip of Brittany (the part that is actually south of the Loire) and give it to Poitou - Nantes is on the northern bank of the Loire anyways. If we included Alencon into Maine, instead of Normandy, this would allow us to make more room for Anjou - the duke of alencon was not duke of normandy, they were seperate creations. The duke of alencon and anjou were united in Francis de Midici (charles XI's brother and youngest son of H. II) as appanages, along with Berry mind you. With these changes, the Loire could be drawn more or less the way it is IRL.
suggestion: Also, why should Anjou be entirely above the Loire? The southern portion of Anjou could be incorporated into Berry - Anjou south of the Loire was never conquered by the English. We could also chop off the south western tip of Brittany (the part that is actually south of the Loire) and give it to Poitou - Nantes is on the northern bank of the Loire anyways. If we included Alencon into Maine, instead of Normandy, this would allow us to make more room for Anjou - the duke of alencon was not duke of normandy, they were seperate creations. The duke of alencon and anjou were united in Francis de Midici (charles XI's brother and youngest son of H. II) as appanages, along with Berry mind you. With these changes, the Loire could be drawn more or less the way it is IRL.
That seems to always be the case.binTravkin said:Could any of the moderator people post this in that Poland-Lithuania map thread?
Talking to em is simply like beating head against a wall..
Either way, to point out something I'm sure y'all already know, but if you're redrawing the map a real, concrete policy on name conventions would be wise.
Personally, I've grown to like the Paradox standard of English names.... It seems to avoid most of the catfights. Also, where there is no real Anglicized name, a different standard should be decided upon, such as the naming convention of the culture that owns it for the statistical majority of the period or else whichever owns it at game start.
Look now on Braclav and Cherson - there is bug if you don't know which one, look on the historical maps.
I think that in your earlier map version it is better. It should like in here:
I think that in your earlier map version it is better. It should like in here:
wonderful... Why not then to make Scandinavian map look better and to unite Halland with Smalland or something?.. It's not an argument.Hallsten said:
I already said that there was no such thing like “Black Ruthenia” but nobody hear me as far as I noticed… Is this really any need in this province? Please, remove it (divide between Navagradak and Polesia)…
I'm going to clarify my stance with reguard to Iberia because obviously several people here seem to have gotten the wrong impression; ie that i didn't want any more provinces for all of the iberian penesula.
I'm not opposed to the following:
Adding Jaca province
Adding Codoba province (mostly because of the resurgant Granada fantasy scenerio)
Adding Tejo province
Adding Cadiz province (assuming its going to Granada)
Renaming Adalusia to Sevilla
Redrawing the borders.
Mostly that just leaves out:
Beiras
Algarve
Astrurias
Viscanya
Dividing The Ballearies into Mallorca and Menorca
My comments on Portugal are that either change the shape of the province so that, like Tejo, placing troops will still be within Castile/Spain's FoW if the borders are okay. Still i'd say only 1 extra mainland province....doubling their mainland provinces from 3 to 6 is a bit much. Any more and you should start them off with some non-mainland provinces.
As to the islands, unless we're going to start doing that everywhere, they shouldn't be split. if we are then i'll withdraw my objections with reguards to them.
I'm not opposed to the following:
Adding Jaca province
Adding Codoba province (mostly because of the resurgant Granada fantasy scenerio)
Adding Tejo province
Adding Cadiz province (assuming its going to Granada)
Renaming Adalusia to Sevilla
Redrawing the borders.
Mostly that just leaves out:
Beiras
Algarve
Astrurias
Viscanya
Dividing The Ballearies into Mallorca and Menorca
My comments on Portugal are that either change the shape of the province so that, like Tejo, placing troops will still be within Castile/Spain's FoW if the borders are okay. Still i'd say only 1 extra mainland province....doubling their mainland provinces from 3 to 6 is a bit much. Any more and you should start them off with some non-mainland provinces.
As to the islands, unless we're going to start doing that everywhere, they shouldn't be split. if we are then i'll withdraw my objections with reguards to them.
Herr Doctor said:
I just think that the strategic depth should be as uniform as possible. I can't see why it should take less time to go to Polotsk from the beaches of Kurland than from the beaches of Livland when it's actually a shorter trip from Livland?
Herr Doctor said:
Think the guys on the Polish-Lithuanian tread sort of blew any chance of MKJ making any changes there what so ever.
Mad King James said:
You do know the EU2 map, don't you? These are, techincally speaking, not province additions. You gotta find support for the removal of these provinces if you don't want to see themJinnai said:
Viscaya represents the Basque country which is quite an important territory. If anything, merge it with Cantabria and call the whole province Biscay (the English name). But it would IMHO be better to try to have both separate.
Can you specify what we should start doing everywhere? We currently have several island groups merged into one province and several island groups represented by separate provinces; the only standard here is what works best for the sake of historical representation. Since Minorca (correct English name used exclusively during the EU2 period) for most of the 18th century was owned by Britain (while Majorca - again the correct English name - remained Spanish), was Britain's most important naval base in the Mediterranean and a permanent fighting ground, there certainly is a good case for making the province separate from Majorca.
But the province of Algarve covered a much larger amount of ground. There might be some justification tojust adding a fourth province to Portugal, instead of fourth and fifth. The Algarve province in MKJ's map doesn't seem to serve much of a strategic purpose.
My little nitpick on the Vizcaya area is where the Ebro ends. There is a bit of weirdness there with Cantabria having a little "peg" bordering the river. I'd suggest giving that little bit of land to Vizcaya to clean up the borders a bit.
As for the PLC area, I'm hoping the nameless provinces get names eventually. And there the issue of the river south of... Mazovia, I think, which runs halfway between provinces, making it unclear whether or not moving from one province to the other suffers river penalties.
My little nitpick on the Vizcaya area is where the Ebro ends. There is a bit of weirdness there with Cantabria having a little "peg" bordering the river. I'd suggest giving that little bit of land to Vizcaya to clean up the borders a bit.
As for the PLC area, I'm hoping the nameless provinces get names eventually.
And there the issue of the river south of... Mazovia, I think, which runs halfway between provinces, making it unclear whether or not moving from one province to the other suffers river penalties.
Getting an AI tag to colonize/conquer specific islands with high probability and without a province ceding event is actually very difficult, so you have to think about utility as well, not just historical representation.Twoflower said:
I really like MKJ's map, and I think it should be changed only slightly, nothing major.
I love this map but I have some minor douts like how you intend to handle with the HGE and the new provinces in its area, how you intend to represent the culture of the caucasian provinces (as most of them have a unique culture), the changes in straits area (if this continue hardcoded), what kind of map projection you intend to use (will it be the current vanilla projection that makes France looks bigger then Brazil - depending on your projection, some provinces may be really hard to select)
As for the changes, perhaps there should be more rivers (but I'm not sure which ones). I wouldn't cut any province untill the entire map is finished.
Do you think the new map will significantly change the game min requirements?
As for the changes, perhaps there should be more rivers (but I'm not sure which ones). I wouldn't cut any province untill the entire map is finished.
Do you think the new map will significantly change the game min requirements?
Sorry i meant to say:Twoflower said:You do know the EU2 map, don't you? These are, techincally speaking, not province additions. You gotta find support for the removal of these provinces if you don't want to see them
Alentejo
Leon
Neither one is good. Merging it with Cantabria just makes it so Navarra can't ever have its natural looking borders and having a seperate province for Basque won't do much...unless you actually plan to make that 1 province special in some way.Twoflower said:
Either for small island/chains go with 1 province or multiple, but don't go apply, well was it histocially devided here, but not there everywhere because just because it wasn't historically devided doesn't mean it couldn't have been, especially if it was aproximately the same size and in a similar area with populated nations.Twoflower said:
