[Mod] Dharmachakra - An Indian and Dharmic Religion Improvement mod

[Riaman98]

Is there any future plans to import Mandala government system, felt it really neat. Feudal AI forcibly converts vassals to their faith. And all religious plurality goes poof within a generation.

 

[Riaman98]

Hey! Any plans for a 1066 Bookmark? South India in 1066 really have some interesting characters for it. Like Vikramaditya VI, Kuktotunga I, VijayaBahu I.

 

[Riaman98]

I found an inaccuracy or Bug whatever you call it, Sanamahism (Meiti religion) uses Hindu Aum, and it's historical symbol is being used by Sarna sthal (a tribal unreformed hindu faith). I thin due to similar namesthis mix up happened.

Edit- it was an easy fix though, just changed their icons in common/religions directory. Probably due to very similar names.

 

[vyshan]

Is there any future plans to import Mandala government system, felt it really neat. Feudal AI forcibly converts vassals to their faith. And all religious plurality goes poof within a generation.

atm I am going to wait till All under Heaven comes out and see how their Mandala system works, and probably will use that for south asia.

Hey! Any plans for a 1066 Bookmark? South India in 1066 really have some interesting characters for it. Like Vikramaditya VI, Kuktotunga I, VijayaBahu I.

Yea, I got a bookmark planned for the future for 1066. Hopefully with my update for Khans of the steppe it will be there, or if not in the next one.

I found an inaccuracy or Bug whatever you call it, Sanamahism (Meiti religion) uses Hindu Aum, and it's historical symbol is being used by Sarna sthal (a tribal unreformed hindu faith). I thin due to similar namesthis mix up happened.

Edit- it was an easy fix though, just changed their icons in common/religions directory. Probably due to very similar names.

Ah thanks. I shall fix that.

I do appologize for the months long reply.

 

[vyshan]

So as mentioned I am working on an update to get it updated for Khans of the steppe. This update will come with yet another culture update as I include more cultures for south asia.

I don't know if it will be in the next update or not but one thing I really want to do is take a good hard look at the MAA traditions that south asia has as two of them don't make much sense. So currently there are three cultural/regional traditions for South Asia. Garuda Warriors, Khadga Puja, and Lords of the Elephant. Now Lords of the Elephant is fine, nothing wrong there. its the Garuda Warriors and Khadga Puja that don't make much sense.

Khadga Puja gives you Khandayats as your MAA. Thing is that is a caste in Odisha not Rajasthan. The actual flavor of the MAA and the tradition itself though is referencing the Khanda Sword and in particular the rajput style of fighting with the Khanda sword.

Gauda Warriors is somehow even more confusing. See the Gauda warriors were supposedly the bodyguard unite of one dynasty, just the Hoysal dynasty. If their lord died then they would comit suicide and so too would their Lenka but again they were there for one dynasty the Hoysal dynasty. Second is the MAA you get. See they are using the term Lenka for the MAA, but the Lenkas were the wives of the Gauda. Third the source I found on them was describing stuff in the 13th and 14th centuries when they were active with that empire, which is after or start dates.

So I am going to be working on finding MAAs and traditions that fit throughout South Asia. that fit the numerous peoples and empires that rose and fell in the era. I probably will keep the Gauda court position for the Hoysal dynasty though, as they are cool.

 

[Trinculo]

Gauda Warriors is somehow even more confusing. See the Gauda warriors were supposedly the bodyguard unite of one dynasty, just the Hoysal dynasty. If their lord died then they would comit suicide and so too would their Lenka but again they were there for one dynasty the Hoysal dynasty. Second is the MAA you get. See they are using the term Lenka for the MAA, but the Lenkas were the wives of the Gauda. Third the source I found on them was describing stuff in the 13th and 14th centuries when they were active with that empire, which is after or start dates.

So I am going to be working on finding MAAs and traditions that fit throughout South Asia. that fit the numerous peoples and empires that rose and fell in the era. I probably will keep the Gauda court position for the Hoysal dynasty though, as they are cool.

Ooh, I've been wanting to do something to incorporate the garudas into the game; didn't even realize they were already represented somehow! They could honestly be a really cool and distinct regional/cultural mechanic for India, but I don't think a MAA unit is the way to do it. Honestly it should be a type of character relationship, or something baked into the knight mechanic for certain Indian cultures.

I'm not sure what source you're using, but I read about it in Vol. 2 of André Wink's al-Hind: The Making of the Indo-Islamic World, which I'm going to quote extensively here because I probably couldn't summarize it better:

Ritualized self-destruction in the face of defeat, however frequent or infrequent it may have been in the eleventh to thirteenth centuries, was certainly not restricted to the Rajput-dominated parts of North India. Well-known are also the 'suicide squads', called Caver, which originated in Kerala in the Cera period (ninth to twelfth century) and became quite popular afterwards. When in Kerala a king died in battle, these guard corps, which constituted his akampadi, set out to avenge him by spreading death and destruction in the enemy camp and courting death as they went along. Duarte Barbosa, the Portuguese traveller who visited Kerala in the sixteenth century, gives an elaborate account of the life, initiation rites, and vows of these royal guards, who lived and died for the king and were selected from the aristocratic Nayar families of dominant landholders, and the system by which they undertook to wreak vengeance on the enemy or to kill themselves.

Closely related to it was the widespread phenomenon of the 'companions of honour', groups of men, officers, elite guards, or special servants and sometimes a few selected slaves, which were associated with the persons of Indian monarchs and which followed him in death, often by voluntary self-immolation.... Abu Zayd, the Arab traveller of the ninth century, speaks of a numerous group of 'companions' (aṣḥāb) who attach themselves to the king and 'burn themselves voluntarily on a pyre, to the last man, on the very day when the king ceases to live'. AI-‘Umarī, in the fourteenth century, writes that 'in India, every raja maintains a group of his loyal courtiers according to his resources; if the king dies, or is killed or some calamity befalls him, all his courtiers kill themselves, [and] if the king falls ill, they also become ill'.

...In the Hoysala and Vijayanagara kingdoms such officers were known as 'garudas' or 'lenkas', or 'velevālis', and their number ranged from one hundred to thousands on occasions. These too believed in the total abnegation to their sovereign, to the point of self-sacrifice, the most remarkable example of which, among the Hoysalas, is that of Kuvāra Lakshma, Vira-Ballala's general, who on his master's death committed suicide with his wife and his thousand companions. In the Kannada country, as well as in Andhra, the velevali clearly chose this mode of death as a point of honour. Vele means time or occasion, and vāli means duty or obligation: the idea of the velevāli was to do his duty and fulfill his obligation whenever he was called upon -- and this is probably the reason that they are sometimes referred to as 'slaves', or are called the 'sons' of the king. But they were not of slave origin, and there was a distinct code of honour involved in their role... No instances of the actual immolation of lenkas after the death of their master are actually on record in the Kakatiya state, but such did take place in neighbouring Karnataka.

...Muslim authors referred to the 'companions of honour' or 'heroic companions' as balā' ai-jar, and regarded them as a typically Indian institution and as one of the 'marvels of ai-Hind' (‘ajā'ib ai-hind), while emphasizing their essentially noble character, which was consecrated through an act of ritual commendation. 'Only men of distinguished family who are themselves comely and valiant and of good understanding are admitted among the balā' ai-jar .... The king makes them eat rice with him, and gives them betel from his own hand. Each hacks off his little finger, and sets it before the king. And, from that moment on, they follow him about, wherever he goes .... If he dies, they commit suicide; if he burns, they cast themselves into the flames; if he falls ill, they mishandle themselves in order to share his sufferings. When a battle is fought, in the attack they cluster around him and never leave his side.' An early thirteenth-century Byzantine author, Barhebraeus (Ar. Ibn al-'Ibr), describes how an agreement between Mahmud of Ghazna and the Raja of Gwalior was sealed by the demand of the Muslims that 'the king must put on our clothes, tie a sword and belt around his waist, and, to ratify the oath, cut off the tip of his finger, as is Indian custom'. The historian Ibn al-Jawzī (d. 1200 AD), describing the same events, adds that Mahmud carried around with him numerous such fingertips obtained in this way.

So the general concept of the garudas was not exclusive to the Hoysalas -- they are attested in several other regions, at least in the south, and as early as the 800s. The concept also had several distinct names, based on region and language. "Garuda" was what the Hoysalas called them (and apparently also Vijayanagara, according to M. G. S. Narayana, see below), while other areas called them different names.

Wink's description is partly based on M. G. S. Narayana's The Institution of 'Companions of Honour' With Special Reference to South India, which traces this whole system to the ancient Arthashāstra, which describes a similar concept of the āsanna (literally "near [one]"). So maybe you could use that as a more generic term? And then have "garuda" be a special name for Kannada culture (since the Hoysalas and Vijayanagar were both originally from Karnataka), and maybe "velevāli" for Telugu culture.

But idk, I feel like that would be so much cooler as a whole separate gameplay system instead of just a name for an MAA. Like, it could sort-of justify CK3's way-too-powerful knights, at least for India, and also give them special relationships with (and privileged access to) their liege, but then it comes with a hefty drawback of being expected to commit suicide or else be dishonored.

 

[vyshan]

Ooh, I've been wanting to do something to incorporate the garudas into the game; didn't even realize they were already represented somehow! They could honestly be a really cool and distinct regional/cultural mechanic for India, but I don't think a MAA unit is the way to do it. Honestly it should be a type of character relationship, or something baked into the knight mechanic for certain Indian cultures.

I'm not sure what source you're using, but I read about it in Vol. 2 of André Wink's al-Hind: The Making of the Indo-Islamic World, which I'm going to quote extensively here because I probably couldn't summarize it better:




So the general concept of the garudas was not exclusive to the Hoysalas -- they are attested in several other regions, at least in the south, and as early as the 800s. The concept also had several distinct names, based on region and language. "Garuda" was what the Hoysalas called them (and apparently also Vijayanagara, according to M. G. S. Narayana, see below), while other areas called them different names.

Wink's description is partly based on M. G. S. Narayana's The Institution of 'Companions of Honour' With Special Reference to South India, which traces this whole system to the ancient Arthashāstra, which describes a similar concept of the āsanna (literally "near [one]"). So maybe you could use that as a more generic term? And then have "garuda" be a special name for Kannada culture (since the Hoysalas and Vijayanagar were both originally from Karnataka), and maybe "velevāli" for Telugu culture.

But idk, I feel like that would be so much cooler as a whole separate gameplay system instead of just a name for an MAA. Like, it could sort-of justify CK3's way-too-powerful knights, at least for India, and also give them special relationships with (and privileged access to) their liege, but then it comes with a hefty drawback of being expected to commit suicide or else be dishonored.

they are a court position that the tradition gives which is neat. They have the action of terrify court. Even still the Lenkas as the MAA is odd. and there isn't anything for their suicide nature for the Garuda warriors.

My source that I found was this jstor article: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44156235

But thanks for the sources. more sources is always great to have access to

 

[Trinculo]

they are a court position that the tradition gives which is neat. They have the action of terrify court. Even still the Lenkas as the MAA is odd. and there isn't anything for their suicide nature for the Garuda warriors.

My source that I found was this jstor article: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44156235

But thanks for the sources. more sources is always great to have access to

Ahh ok yes a court position makes more sense. Thanks for sharing!

 

[vyshan]

Dharmachakra Version 1.7.0 "Hayagriva" has been released
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This patch updates it for Khans of the steppe. It also includes a new and revised cultural set up. Hopefully the last before All under heaven comes out and I need to revise things again with the rest of asia. I have also added a bookmark for 1066 for the Ghaznavids and their invansion into India.

Spoiler

• Revamped cultural setup again
• added some RICE religions and cultures
• added some new culture traditions
• cultures in the Thar Desert can get camels now
• removed khadga puja for now
• When embarking on the Mahamastakabisheka pilgrimage as a jain ruler, you can pick which Jain vow you wish to take while on the pilgrimage
• Some special events if you go to a university in south asia
• 4 new court postions: court guru, chief vajracharya, bhangika, and master of elephants
• various tribal lords have been made tributaries in 867 and 1066
• added a 1066 bookmark
• various bug fixes

 

[Riaman98]

Dharmachakra Version 1.7.0 "Hayagriva" has been released
Steam Workshop Download | Github Manual Download​

This patch updates it for Khans of the steppe. It also includes a new and revised cultural set up. Hopefully the last before All under heaven comes out and I need to revise things again with the rest of asia. I have also added a bookmark for 1066 for the Ghaznavids and their invansion into India.

Spoiler

• Revamped cultural setup again
• added some RICE religions and cultures
• added some new culture traditions
• cultures in the Thar Desert can get camels now
• removed khadga puja for now
• When embarking on the Mahamastakabisheka pilgrimage as a jain ruler, you can pick which Jain vow you wish to take while on the pilgrimage
• Some special events if you go to a university in south asia
• 4 new court postions: court guru, chief vajracharya, bhangika, and master of elephants
• various tribal lords have been made tributaries in 867 and 1066
• added a 1066 bookmark
• various bug fixes

Did the vanilla game turned Shahi dynasty into Zun pagan? because I remembered them as Shaivite earlier and it is a well attested fact.

 

[vyshan]

Did the vanilla game turned Shahi dynasty into Zun pagan? because I remembered them as Shaivite earlier and it is a well attested fact.

Thanks. I do believe this was my mistake when I was incorporting RICE stuff and I got mixed up with the characters Still It has been fixed dev side

 

[vyshan]

Dharmachakra Version 1.7.5 "Zarathustra" has been released
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This update expands the mod to the Middle East. It overhauls Zoroastrianism with new holy sites, tenets, decisions. Further the religious and cultural layout for the region has been overhauled. New Islamic Faiths, along with new various middle eastern pagan faiths. Many new special buildings have been added throughout the region. New Persian activities have also been added.

Spoiler

• Updated the cultures and religious layout of the Middle East
• Added the Iranic Religious family which has the following religions: Zoroastrianism, Yazidism, Manicheanism, Zunism
• Updated the holy sites of Zoroastrian faiths
• Updated the zoroastrian tenets for zoroastrian faiths
• Added Zorastrian Yazata stuff from RICE
• Added Zoroastrian Xwedadohah(Incest) decision from RICE
• Nowruz is now a festival not just an event; also added Mehregan as a festival
• decision about the Cypress of Keshmar
• new Zoroastrian landless character
• Behfaridist and Khurramites can decide between keeping righteous rebellion or switching it for struggle and submission if they unite persia
• The Saoshayant can change doctrines of their faith
• added more holy sites throughout west, central, and south asia. With some models thanks to Al-Sami.
• added various Muslim Enhancement islamic faiths
• Added various RICE pagan faiths for the Middle East
• updated the character histories for the middle east, drawing from Muslim Enhancements

 

[vyshan]

Dharmachakra Version 1.7.6 "Zarathustra" has been released
Steam Workshop Download | Github Manual Download​

This update contains mostly bug fixes that have been reported to me and I have fixed. Further a number of characters have their histories updated to better reflect the actual historical situation. I have also changed the name of Delhi so that prior to Anangpal Tomar founded the city, it goes by a different name and the localization in various innovations now refers to Kannauj as the premier Indian city. Hindus now have the ability to build local monasteries and temples, inspired by the RICE activity for Christians.

Spoiler

Changelog

Bug Fixes

• Thaipusam is now properly celebrated by the Tamil people, not the tibetans
• Thingyan is now properly celebrated by the Burmese People, not the Tibetans
• Activities now have proper header titles
• Munda and Khasi heritages are now localized
• Burmese paganism now has its icon
• Burmese Paganism now has its holy sites properly localized
• Manicheanism now properly has their hostility. No more seeing the world as righteous.
• The Correct ghurid sultan gets the bookmark description in the bookmark.
• Kosali is spelled correctly, and not Kolasi.
• Haytal has the turkish heritage being that they are Turco-Hephthalites
• made sure that dna for characters actually was there and not just for bookmarks.

New Content

• Hindu rulers can build a religious sites(inspired by the RICE christian site feature)
• small event chain about King Ananata and his son's feud
• Various intro events for historical characters
• decision to found the city of Delhi
• Delhi is renamed Srinivaspuri before the city is founded.
• Added Chand Baori as a special building in Rajasthan

Historical database setups

• Tridé Yumten is now rivals with his brother and has the disputed heritage trait. He does have a decision to get rid of it.
• The Ghurid brothers are now co-sultans as they were in history
• King Ananata in Kashmir know has his wife
• King Ananata has Haladhara as his chief advisor as is historical.
• King Ananata is rivals with his son
• King Ananata is set up as co-rulers with his son

GFX updates

• Updated the various special building icons with different and some new icons.
• Updated some background images for clergy

Compatibility Updates

• updated Event background and theme refering to RICE for compatability with RICE

 

[tribnia]

I think a situation could be made to simulate the frequent flood and drought in India influenced by monsoon.

 

[vyshan]

I think a situation could be made to simulate the frequent flood and drought in India influenced by monsoon.

Oh I agree and it is on my plans for the future. When I first saw the season stuff for nomads this was something I considered. RICE is going to add one too, and I am probably going to wait till @cybrxkhan finishes it so I can draw insperation from how it is done

Beyond that I do have plans for both Coronations and All Under Heaven, though a lot of what I am considering is heavily depedent on just how things are implemented.

So for coronations, I am hoping that they aren't just for Europe like in CK2 and have some unique details for the different backgrounds for interiors and what not. If not I will be adding some. Second are the Sixteen great gifts. I don't know if I will do all 16 of them, but I will look to be adding at least two, Tulabhara and Hiranyagarbha for lords to perform.

All under Heaven meanwhile is going to depend on how things are implemented by paradox, but I do have lots of ideas.

First with the map extended eastward, I can finally better cover north east India and its crazy diversity as now I am not stopped by wastelands which should hopefully better reflect the cultures there more.

Second I will likely be adding new faiths. Hinduism and Buddhism in particular will probably get new faiths. Though this does all depend on how they are divided. In particular I am really curious how PDX is going to handle Buddhism. As I got a lot of ideas on how to handle buddhism.

Third I am debating how much of south east and east asia I will focus on with Dharmachakra. I do know south east asia is something I want to focus on to some degree as the whole exploits of the Cholas during this time is fascinating.

Yes I am aware of the other asian mods like Rajas of Asia which I am on good terms with, but I do like modding by myself so this is something I am debating and I am not sure exactly what I will come up with.

Just thought I would let others know what I am thinking of in regards of the next updates.

 

[Riaman98]

Oh I agree and it is on my plans for the future. When I first saw the season stuff for nomads this was something I considered. RICE is going to add one too, and I am probably going to wait till @cybrxkhan finishes it so I can draw insperation from how it is done

Beyond that I do have plans for both Coronations and All Under Heaven, though a lot of what I am considering is heavily depedent on just how things are implemented.

So for coronations, I am hoping that they aren't just for Europe like in CK2 and have some unique details for the different backgrounds for interiors and what not. If not I will be adding some. Second are the Sixteen great gifts. I don't know if I will do all 16 of them, but I will look to be adding at least two, Tulabhara and Hiranyagarbha for lords to perform.

All under Heaven meanwhile is going to depend on how things are implemented by paradox, but I do have lots of ideas.

First with the map extended eastward, I can finally better cover north east India and its crazy diversity as now I am not stopped by wastelands which should hopefully better reflect the cultures there more.

Second I will likely be adding new faiths. Hinduism and Buddhism in particular will probably get new faiths. Though this does all depend on how they are divided. In particular I am really curious how PDX is going to handle Buddhism. As I got a lot of ideas on how to handle buddhism.

Third I am debating how much of south east and east asia I will focus on with Dharmachakra. I do know south east asia is something I want to focus on to some degree as the whole exploits of the Cholas during this time is fascinating.

Yes I am aware of the other asian mods like Rajas of Asia which I am on good terms with, but I do like modding by myself so this is something I am debating and I am not sure exactly what I will come up with.

Just thought I would let others know what I am thinking of in regards of the next updates.

Is Ananta's wife from Katoch house of Kangra? I somewhere read two of her brothers were also part of the kashmir court and were full on degenerates wasting all money on addictions. Both Her and Ananta didn't like them and their son.

And Kalasa their son should be a craven degenerate, if wikipedia is to be true.

Also Harsa, the son of Kalasa should be born by 1066, he should have beautiful and hale traits.

 

[Riaman98]

Dharmachakra Version 1.7.6 "Zarathustra" has been released
Steam Workshop Download | Github Manual Download​

This update contains mostly bug fixes that have been reported to me and I have fixed. Further a number of characters have their histories updated to better reflect the actual historical situation. I have also changed the name of Delhi so that prior to Anangpal Tomar founded the city, it goes by a different name and the localization in various innovations now refers to Kannauj as the premier Indian city. Hindus now have the ability to build local monasteries and temples, inspired by the RICE activity for Christians.

Spoiler

Changelog

Bug Fixes

• Thaipusam is now properly celebrated by the Tamil people, not the tibetans
• Thingyan is now properly celebrated by the Burmese People, not the Tibetans
• Activities now have proper header titles
• Munda and Khasi heritages are now localized
• Burmese paganism now has its icon
• Burmese Paganism now has its holy sites properly localized
• Manicheanism now properly has their hostility. No more seeing the world as righteous.
• The Correct ghurid sultan gets the bookmark description in the bookmark.
• Kosali is spelled correctly, and not Kolasi.
• Haytal has the turkish heritage being that they are Turco-Hephthalites
• made sure that dna for characters actually was there and not just for bookmarks.

New Content

• Hindu rulers can build a religious sites(inspired by the RICE christian site feature)
• small event chain about King Ananata and his son's feud
• Various intro events for historical characters
• decision to found the city of Delhi
• Delhi is renamed Srinivaspuri before the city is founded.
• Added Chand Baori as a special building in Rajasthan

Historical database setups

• Tridé Yumten is now rivals with his brother and has the disputed heritage trait. He does have a decision to get rid of it.
• The Ghurid brothers are now co-sultans as they were in history
• King Ananata in Kashmir know has his wife
• King Ananata has Haladhara as his chief advisor as is historical.
• King Ananata is rivals with his son
• King Ananata is set up as co-rulers with his son

GFX updates

• Updated the various special building icons with different and some new icons.
• Updated some background images for clergy

Compatibility Updates

• updated Event background and theme refering to RICE for compatability with RICE

Isn't Tride the official son born from the first wife, and the Buddhist one of guge was born from concubine. They should be nemesis. triden and his mother try to murder other one.

Somehow in game Namde is older.