[MOD] Immersive Title Grant

[philanthropic19]

Hello everyone,

This mod makes title grants much more immersive. Have you ever wondered how characters in CK2 hate you for being a foreigner, a foreign conquerer, infidel, heretic etc. but when you give titles to such characters, nobody in your realm has ANY opinion about it? Well, no more!

With this mod, every character in your realm will either be happy or unhappy about title grants based on cultural, religious and personal reasons!

Hopefully this will make your title grants much more organic like a true medieval lord, rather than simply giving new titles to some random lowborn. After all, what the other lords and even the public in your realm think should carry some meaning!

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FEATURES
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- Upon granting any Count-tier or above title to any character, all characters, 14-years old and above, in your realm will have an opinion about it based on different reasons.
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Religious reasons:
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• Characters in your realm will be UNHAPPY about the title grant if they:
  • are not the same religion as the new title holder.
  • have the same religion as the county which was granted, but the new holder is of a different religion.
• MORE upset if:
  • consider the new holder a heretic of their religion.
  • have Theocratic government.
  • are Zealous.
  • are Holy Warrior.
• LESS upset if:
  • share religion group with the new holder.
  • are Cynical.
• An exception are the Indian religions, as they are very tolerant of each other. The opinion maluses based on religious reasons will not apply if: a character is NOT Zealous and both him/her and the new holder belong to an Indian religion.
• Characters in your realm will be HAPPY if they:
  • share religion with the new holder, but not with the title granter.
  • share religion with the new holder and the new holder has their religion-specific Crusader trait.
  • share religion with the new holder AND are Zealous or Theocratic AND the new holder has high piety.
    • Piety tiers: 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 600, 800, >1000

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Cultural reasons:
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• Characters in your realm will be UNHAPPY about the title grant if they:
  • are not the same culture as the new title holder.
  • have the same culture as the county which was granted, but the new holder is of a different culture.
  • are Count-tier and above and the title was granted to a lowborn character. Nobility does not like lowborns rising in status. On the other hand, all lowborn characters will be happy!
    • "Theocratic characters" and "Republic characters without a landed feudal close relative" will not be upset about title grants to lowborns.
• MORE upset if:
  • are Proud.
  • are Ambitious
• LESS upset if:
  • share culture group with the new holder.
  • are Content.
• Characters in your realm will be HAPPY if they:
  • share culture with the new holder, but not with the title granter (cultural reasons).

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Personal reasons:
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• Characters in your realm will be UNHAPPY about the title grant if they:
  • have a claim on the title.
  • are a Powerful Vassal of yours and the title was granted to someone not of their dynasty.
  • belong to your dynasty and the title was granted to someone of another dynasty.
  • are a Foe of the new holder or have lower than -50 opinion of the new holder.
• MORE upset if:
  • are Proud.
  • are Ambitious
• LESS upset if:
  • are Humble
  • are Content.
• Characters in your realm will be HAPPY if they:
  • are mother or father of the new title holder.
  • are a Power Vassal and the new holder is from their dynasty.
  • belong to the same dynasty as the new title holder.
  • are a Friend or Lover of the new holder or have at least 75 opinion of the new holder.

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MISC.
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• The opinion malus is directed towards both the ruler who gave the title and the new holder of the title.
• The opinion malus is higher for a higher tier title (e.g. granting a Kingdom will upset the respective people more than granting a County).
• Advancements in "Tolerance" technology will reduce the opinion malus due to "Cultural and Religious reasons".
• Advancements in "Noble Customs" technology will reduce the opinion malus due to "Personal reasons".
• All technology effects happen at tech levels: 2, 4, 6 and 8 with higher levels giving more reduction to opinion malus.

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COMPATIBILITY
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• Compatible with ALL mods! This includes overhaul mods such as HIP and CK2+.
• Can be added to and removed from save games.
• Disables Achievements.

Steam Workshop Link: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1803682016

Dropbox (direct download) link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w88i89vzv0ong08/LMMImmersiveTitleGrant.zip?dl=0

 

[Truewhit]

Hello everyone,

This mod makes title grants much more immersive. Have you ever wondered how characters in CK2 hate you for being a foreigner, a foreign conquerer, infidel, heretic etc. but when you give titles to such characters, nobody in your realm has ANY opinion about it? Well, no more!

With this mod, every character in your realm will either be happy or unhappy about title grants based on cultural, religious and personal reasons!

Hopefully this will make your title grants much more organic like a true medieval lord, rather than simply giving new titles to some random lowborn. After all, what the other lords and even the public in your realm think should carry some meaning!

************
FEATURES
************
- Upon granting any Count-tier or above title to any character, all characters, 14-years old and above, in your realm will have an opinion about it based on different reasons.
------------------------
Religious reasons:
------------------------

• Characters in your realm will be UNHAPPY about the title grant if they:
  • are not the same religion as the new title holder.
    
  • have the same religion as the county which was granted, but the new holder is of a different religion.
• MORE upset if:
  • consider the new holder a heretic of his religion.
    
  • have Theocratic government.
    
  • are Zealous.
    
  • are Holy Warrior.
• LESS upset if:
  • share religion group with the new holder.
    
  • are Cynical.
• An exception are the Indian religions, as they are very tolerant of each other. The opinion maluses based on religious reasons will not apply if: a character is NOT Zealous and both him/her and the new holder belong to an Indian religion.

----------------------
Cultural reasons:
----------------------

• Characters in your realm will be UNHAPPY about the title grant if they:
  • are not the same culture as the new title holder.
    
  • have the same culture as the county which was granted, but the new holder is of a different culture.
    
  • are landed and the title was granted to a lowborn character. Nobility does not like lowborns rising in status. On the other hand, all lowborn characters will be happy!
• MORE upset if:
  • are Proud.
    
  • are Ambitious
• LESS upset if:
  • share culture group with the new holder.
    
  • are Content.

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Personal reasons:
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• Characters in your realm will be UNHAPPY about the title grant if they:
  • are a Powerful Vassal of yours and the title was granted to someone not of their dynasty.
    
  • belong to your dynasty and the title was granted to someone of another dynasty.
• MORE upset if:
  • are Proud.
    
  • are Ambitious
• LESS upset if:
  • are Humble
    
  • are Content.

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MISC.
--------

• The opinion malus is directed towards both the ruler who gave the title and the new holder of the title.
  
• The opinion malus is higher for a higher tier title (e.g. granting a Kingdom will upset the respective people more than granting a County).
  
• Advancements in "Tolerance" technology will reduce the opinion malus due to "Cultural and Religious reasons".
  
• Advancements in "Noble Customs" technology will reduce the opinion malus due to "Personal reasons".
  
• All technology effects happen at tech levels: 2, 4, 6 and 8 with higher levels giving more reduction to opinion malus.

******************
COMPATIBILITY
******************

• Compatible with ALL mods! This includes overhaul mods such as HIP and CK2+.
  
• Can be added to and removed from save games.
  
• Disables Achievements.

Steam Workshop Link: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1803682016

Manual Installation:
Download the attached .zip file and extract into your CK2 mods folder.

I love mini mods like this.

 

[Sledjer]

I understand if its too complex, but is there any chance that you could also add a dimension for opinion of the person gaining the title? I.e. lords that like the person gaining the title will be happy, their rivals not so much.

 

[philanthropic19]

I understand if its too complex, but is there any chance that you could also add a dimension for opinion of the person gaining the title? I.e. lords that like the person gaining the title will be happy, their rivals not so much.

Excellent idea. It is not complex to add - I will add it in the next update

 

[philanthropic19]

I understand if its too complex, but is there any chance that you could also add a dimension for opinion of the person gaining the title? I.e. lords that like the person gaining the title will be happy, their rivals not so much.

The feature has been added and the update is live (both here and on Steam Workshop). Here is the Changelog for the update:

• Theocratic characters will not be upset about title grants to lowborns.
• Republic characters will upset about title grants to lowborns ONLY IF any close relative of the republic character is landed AND feudal.
• Characters will be HAPPY if they:
  • are mother or father of the new title holder.
  • are a Power Vassal and the new holder is from their dynasty.
  • belong to the same dynasty as the new title holder.
  • are a Friend or Lover of the new holder or have at least 75 opinion of the new holder.
• Characters will be UNHAPPY if they:
  • are a Foe of the new holder or have lower than -50 opinion of the new holder.

 

[philanthropic19]

Updated!
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Changelog v1.2 (Balance Update)
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• Reduced all opinion modifiers by 40% (so what was previously a +/-5 modifier will now be +/-3).
  
• Characters in your realm will be HAPPY if they:
  • share culture with the new holder, but not with the title granter (cultural reasons).
    
  • share religion with the new holder, but not with the title granter (religious reasons).
    
  • share religion with the new holder and the new holder has their religion-specific Crusader trait.
    
  • share religion with the new holder AND are Zealous or Theocratic AND the new holder has high piety (religious reasons).
    • Piety tiers: 50, 100, 200, 300, 400, 600, 800, >1000
• Characters in your realm will be UNHAPPY if they:
  • have a claim on the title.

 

[ibrahim100]

Very nice! Perhaps the same could be made for council appointments?

 

[jfb8300]

Very nice! Perhaps the same could be made for council appointments?

Great idea! Hope we see it.

 

[philanthropic19]

Very nice! Perhaps the same could be made for council appointments?

Great idea! Hope we see it.

Unfortunately, it seems it won't be possible without having to edit some vanilla files which will basically break compatibility with a lot of mods. So, I won't be adding that feature. Would love to hear any other suggestions that you might have

 

[ibrahim100]

Some further ideas:
1. The following traits could also influence opinion the same way as proud/ambitious: envious (I should get that title!), wroth (how dare he do that!) and greedy (I wanted that title!) (maybe paranoid for a perceived slight)

2. The following traits could work like content/humble: patient (my time to receive a title will come) and trusting (he had his reasons for doing that)

3. People should dislike you for giving titles to: lunatics and possessed characters, excommunicated characters (except if they are cynical), kinslayers and suspected kinslayers (unless they also have these traits)

4. People should like you for giving titles to unlanded characters with high prestige

5. People should like you for giving titles to people with high martial and stewardship stats (the person is seen as competent to rule)

6. People should like you for giving titles to someone with a claim to it (the person is seen as the rightful owner), unless they have also have a claim themselves (in which case I should get the title instead!)

7. People should dislike you for giving a title to a claimant to their own title (A has a claim on B, and you grant a title to A, B will feel threatened)

8. People should like you for giving a title to their spouse, just as with a lover or child

Thanks!

 

[ibrahim100]

Perhaps something similar could be made for marriages without breaking compatibility?

Vassals should dislike it when their ruler marries or has a family member married to a heretic, to someone who has a claim to their title, to a rival of theirs...

 

[philanthropic19]

Some further ideas:
1. The following traits could also influence opinion the same way as proud/ambitious: envious (I should get that title!), wroth (how dare he do that!) and greedy (I wanted that title!) (maybe paranoid for a perceived slight)

2. The following traits could work like content/humble: patient (my time to receive a title will come) and trusting (he had his reasons for doing that)

3. People should dislike you for giving titles to: lunatics and possessed characters, excommunicated characters (except if they are cynical), kinslayers and suspected kinslayers (unless they also have these traits)

4. People should like you for giving titles to unlanded characters with high prestige

5. People should like you for giving titles to people with high martial and stewardship stats (the person is seen as competent to rule)

6. People should like you for giving titles to someone with a claim to it (the person is seen as the rightful owner), unless they have also have a claim themselves (in which case I should get the title instead!)

7. People should dislike you for giving a title to a claimant to their own title (A has a claim on B, and you grant a title to A, B will feel threatened)

8. People should like you for giving a title to their spouse, just as with a lover or child

Thanks!

Perhaps something similar could be made for marriages without breaking compatibility?

Vassals should dislike it when their ruler marries or has a family member married to a heretic, to someone who has a claim to their title, to a rival of theirs...

Thank you! Great ideas. I will implement them in the next update. Btw, I also pushed an update to the Steam Workshop version some days ago which changed the balance of the mod by modifying the opinion bonus and malus strength. I forgot to update it here. I will push that here as well.

Just wanted to point out that the "claimant" part is already implemented in the current version in a half-way. People who have claims on a title will be unhappy if you grant that title to someone else. It is impossible to check if you granted the title to someone who has a claim to it, though - because once he gets the title the claim vanishes, and since my mod only checks for the situation "after the title has been granted", it is impossible to check whether you granted it to a claimant or not. However, it is possible to implement logic to give opinion maluses from other claimants, and this can be expanded upon as well as you suggested.

 

[Sunbro BigBoss]

I love mods that add more depth to the player's actions, doubly so when they are made with compatibility in mind.

 

[philanthropic19]

Update:
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Changelog v1.3.1
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• Fixed a bug where the title granter got an opinion against the title receiver.
• Fixed a bug where granting a title to non-lowborns was still considered as a grant to a lowborn character.
• Fixed a bug where Zealous Indian religion-group characters would not get an opinion malus for title grants to characters of a different religion in the Indian group.