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Thank you for all these answers !
I will try to answer all of you

@fanoI :

Yep, you're right, but too powerfull :c

Indeed!

Very complicated what you propose! While I appreciate the interest. After, to be quite frank, I worked on HRE first, when I started modding it may be, now that I'm a little more confident, rework, I grant you~~

And I grant you for your work!
This could be a pseudo code:

Code:
    potential= {
          the_emperor_is_dead_viva_the_emperor = yes # Not exists yet a way to understand when a ruler dies! But    
                                                                                   Captain Gars has worked on it and so in the future patches... 
     	NOT = {
        	has_character_flag=king_of_the_romans # ==> This is indentation
         }
    }
    allow= { } # Whatever...
    effect = {
	holder_scope =
	    { has_landed_title = e_ hre } =
		{ # ==> This is indentation
		    ==> Another tab/ 4 chars as the code in after a '{'
                    any_de_jure_vassals = {
			set_liege = e_kingdom_of_the_romans
                        # Another instruction? It goes here!
		    }
		}
    
            # Now the HRE is in scope so...
            destroy_landed_title = THIS
            e_hre = { active = no } # Only re-creatable via decision
            give_landed_title =  e_kingdom_of_the_romans
       }         
}

I know it is annoying to "indent" the code but now do you see that it is more readable? It is pretty clear that is wrong that a "}" is absent for example (and I pretend to have written wrongly by my free will :cool:)!
Another trick if you have to much "conditions" and you reach this point:

Code:
                                                                                                                              {
# The paper is ended how I indent? I cannot and now :eek: ? Ouch my ass!

your code is wrong or at least inefficient, so you need to change it ;) !
(note that a "true" programmer has only 80 characters horizontal at disposal for 40 vertical, so no you cannot expand the file... the "terminal" connected via serial has ended!)
As a young musician has the regulus to play the piano and when it does wrong the Magister will shout "Ritmo!" a Software Engineer should indent or the Senior Engineers would byte (indeed) his ass... it is from this that the term "byte" came probably :p

For the kingdom of Aquitaine, is not, and this is normal. If you are the king of France, your goal is to integrate land of other kingdoms (or the Empire ! Barrois like) to yours. But if you're emperor, you argue the imperial level rather than the kingdom. For example, the Empire was almost always composed of the Kingdom of Italy, Kingdom of Arles, later of the Kingdom of Bohemia and the "Regnum Romanum" (improperly called "kingdom of germany") and with a blur on the Lotharingia side, whose Philip and Charles of Burgundy tried to reactivate.

Well one could argue that the Hapsburg Emperors tried to integrate Bohemia and Hungary in their Empire but effectively this happened after the end of HRE itself... probably they would have broken "the vassal contract" doing this being the "true" Emperors :blink:

Never an emperor of this or that "kingdom" attempted to annex to his others. On the contrary, there is a strict observance of kingdoms, for example if we take the King of Bohemia Charles IV, it is one of the last emperors have been crowned in Arles !

OK so if as Emperor of HRE and King (Emperor) of France I have Aquitaine in PU I cannot never integrate it via decision?
But were not the Karling themselves to create the title and then destroy it some time after to absorb it in the Kingdom of (West) France?
Well at least should be true the Holy Roman Empire should force other Kings to enter in the Empire for example in 866 Bohemia should be not de jure part of Holy Roman Empire but "independent" (more of this later ;)) and if weak the Emperor should try to force them to become his vassals as, rightly, you are doing for Poland and Hungary. Correct as historical when HRE Emperor were strong they tried to do this and they got a letter when this ancient symbol as response: "|" .

For English, you're right, but I appreciate not really the globish / engrish. I would even like my mod is translated into proper English, and why not in other languages

OK, we try to translate from your true French in a quasi "true" English if it exist yet (the "true" English? Probably in Bombay?)

Idendation? I must confess that my limits in English just appeared! :D

Indeed I should have written "indentation"! As the thing you have in your mouth the dents.

Chrétiens is the world for Christian, it's the "s" who disappeared ^^

Now I understand why the English and us Italian use this Latin via French word in this way: we say a poor Christian / a poor Christ to intend an "unlucky" / "weak" / "retarded" guy... now it is clear why we use in this sense. The more I know ;)

For Padishahlari-i-rumeli, is actually based on the original attempt of the Ottoman Sultans after the fall of Constantinople to the capture of Egypt. Indeed, they presented themselves as the heirs of the Byzantine emperor, including the traditional representation of donation monastery but also in titular (Kaysar-i-rum). Then they switched to a more "traditional" universal caliphate goal (after Egypt) but the originality of these sultants as Mehmet II, when he said to the Pope "No, nothing has changed, in fact we are like the Byzantine", is great, and i have a great desire to represent it in the game.

And my scope as player is to delete any Osman and Turk tries to do this :mad:
"Nothing has a changed"? Well if the end of the world is nothing yes, that simpatic this Mehmet, right :p ?

@fedrikslicer : The problem is that "Kalmar Union" is a modern name. I search for sources of time and political thought of the time. Unfortunately in France, very few of my colleagues working on the medieval Scandinavia (no one actually: D)

The North, maybe? North Sea Empire?
The (High) Kingdom of the Normans make me think to an Empire based on Normandy...

@Ruwaard :
Thanks ! Yes, the French players were initially very difficult to understand why I removed, what is in my eyes horrors, empires of Italy / France / Britannia etc., but after a beautiful presentation of one of my friends on the concept of Imperium in medieval thought, they soon realized that there can be one and one empire, which is the Roman Empire (= christian empire). After it is divided, which is not good in medieval thought, and give some "ideas" to some emperors as Frederic II barberousse for unite the roman empire by the strengh.

We were reach a Political / Opinion divide IMHO the ahistorical Empires are historical (BUM) :p
Why?

Let's see: Britannia (yes Roman Prefecture), Francia (yes Roman Prefecture called Gallia so big that was split in 3 parts: Gallia Belgica, Gallia Septimania and Gallia Aquitania!), Hispania (yes Roman Prefecture again), Italia (well this is the nucleus of the Roman Empire itself, see it as the Western Roman Empire and now it is true that is existed, right?), Carpatia (yes Roman Prefecture called Illiria).

Note that if formed they should be called not Empires but Kingdoms and ruled, mind you, by Kings! But a King of All Britannia would claim the Roman Heritage and if the Popes likes him more that the Holy Roman Emperor? Or if he creates his own Pope? Who is the "true" Holy Roman Empire? The Great War of Holy Roman Empire Succession could start :p ?

Then we have the not Roman based one:

  1. Wendish Empire, this IMHO has sense only if we talk of Slavic Pagans! Or for a Prussian Catholic that wants to not eat the Germany from inside but eat Poland. This is clearly a filler, indeed. :rolleyes:
  2. Russia this existed and claimed to be the third Rome, this should be in game (only if Byzantium is dead, I'll add this condition "Constantinople is held by not Christian character").
  3. Tartaria yes if you see as a possible Cuman Horde / Bolgar Horde / Great Kazharia.
  4. Persia well this is the ancient enemy of Rome, it was effectively reformed in the game period... as a sort of Islamic Theocratic Monarchy in the end.
  5. Arabian Empire it exists but probably should be divided in three parts (Arabia proper, Levant and Greater Egypt / North Africa), the ub€r Empire should be formed as the Roman Empire via special decision (blood of Moahamed, Muslim schism mended and so on).
  6. The Indian Empires probably only India is correctly an Empire but in India any petty King was an Emperor (Maraja) so in the end our western model is not fitting anymore I fear here :eek:hmy:

@all : Thank again all for your messages. I do not how I will organize all know, but I think setting up something in the coming days

OK we all wait with excitation :p
 
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Awesome though I have one minor complaint...The HRE didn't call itself the Imperium Romanum, it was actually called the Imperium Romanum Sacrum in latin and in german it was called Heiliges Römisches Reich.
 
Awesome though I have one minor complaint...The HRE didn't call itself the Imperium Romanum, it was actually called the Imperium Romanum Sacrum in latin and in german it was called Heiliges Römisches Reich.

It wasn't referred to as "Holy" in any documents until the time of Frederick Barbarossa and was not officially called "Sacrum" until at least 1250. Maybe an event in game could reflect this name change, but for all intents and purposes, Imperium Romanum is correct.
 
It wasn't referred to as "Holy" in any documents until the time of Frederick Barbarossa and was not officially called "Sacrum" until at least 1250. Maybe an event in game could reflect this name change, but for all intents and purposes, Imperium Romanum is correct.

Yes after 1300 it seems a little strange to see yet "Imperium Romanum" probably "Imperium Romanum Sacrum" would be better after that date, in the end this doesn't diminish the title but indeed makes it more prestigious! A sort of "Theocracy"...

And if one wants to be more precise he could be have an event in which the "Imperium Romanum Sacrum" after having lost any claim onto the Italian and Frankish regions and it controls only Germany and Bohemia to admit defeat and declare that it is, in reality "Imperium Romanum Sacrum Germanorum Nationem" (Latinorum probably, it is clear, right? Holy Roman Empire of the Germanic Nation) but the lost territory could be re-acquired if the Emperor has big balls, obviously!

What do you think? Make sense IMHO...
 
Charlemagne's will in 806 listed his imperial style as either:
Imperator caesar Karolus rex Francorum invictissimus et Romani rector imperii pius felix victor ac triumphator semper augustus ("Most invincible Emperor Caesar as King Charles of the Franks and the Romans, always august ruler of the empire, victorious and triumphant")
Or Karolus serenissimus augustus, a Deo coronatus magnus pacificus imperator, Romanum gubernans imperium, qui et per misericordiam Dei rex Francorum atque Langobardorum ("Charles, most serene Augustus, crowned by God the great pacific emperor, governing the Roman empire, by the mercies of God, the king of the Franks, and the Lombards").
 
I'll answer a few posts and then I would tell you what I put in place to ensure the translation, thank you to all the volunteers!

@fanoI :

Thank you for indentation! I did not know at all what it is, and now I understand its importance.

OK so if as Emperor of HRE and King (Emperor) of France I have Aquitaine in PU I cannot never integrate it via decision?
But were not the Karling themselves to create the title and then destroy it some time after to absorb it in the Kingdom of (West) France?
Well at least should be true the Holy Roman Empire should force other Kings to enter in the Empire for example in 866 Bohemia should be not de jure part of Holy Roman Empire but "independent" (more of this later ) and if weak the Emperor should try to force them to become his vassals as, rightly, you are doing for Poland and Hungary. Correct as historical when HRE Emperor were strong they tried to do this and they got a letter when this ancient symbol as response: "|" .
Yes, you can not absorb the kingdom if you are emperor. And in fact, it is difficult, but it seems that this is rather Robertians who abandoned the idea of ​​naming their heir king of Aquitaine, but more than a decision, is really a "integration" with natural time from Pepin le Bref.

I suggest you check out the first page and you will see that 866, Bohemia is not de jure in the Empire ! She can go de jure in the Empire, however, become so strong emperor having borders with it (and if she is a Christian) asks her to be his vassal as the emperor is the temporal head of Christendom, like Poland and Hungria.
But a King of All Britannia would claim the Roman Heritage and if the Popes likes him more that the Holy Roman Emperor?
I suggest you chek AGAIN the frist page : a strong catholic king can claim the Empire (and go to a civil war in the Empire), if the emperor is not crowned, weak, and the Pope like the king moar than the king of roman. In fact, Alphonse X of Castille was crowned king of romans and was one of the strongest contenders in the Great Interregnum. Bosleslaw in Poland tried to obtain the imperial crown too. In France, the list of contenders of the imperial crown is long : Louis IX, Philippe III (Great Interregnum too), Charles de Valois, brother of Philippe le Bel, Philippe le Bel himself perhaps, François Ier, and at last but not least Louis XIV (When he took Alsace, he hesitated to leave as "Terre d'Empire" for better claim to the imperial crown). Some historians say, as Annie Jourdain, that based on the writings of Napoleon, that he claimed to have received the empire as a "dot" (i don't know the english word, sorry :c), and the "Empire des Français" is the true Western Roman Empire (yes, yes, Napy pretended that is was the western emperor). For England, we have two examples, Richard of Cornouillailes and Henri VIII, and both try to get the imperial crown (of SER of course, in medieval tought, don't forget that they are only one empire divided in western and eastern), Richard of Cournouillailes managed, but Henri VIII failed. And for Da others empires, I always base on the political thought of the people of those times. And i suggest you to check again ( :p ) the first page, because Russian empire is formable if the byzantine empire is weak or dead, like the bulgarian and serbian empire. But the goal of those empires is to take Constantinople to show the world they are the real Emperors of the East (as Siméon, Ivan Asen I & III, Stefan Douchan etc.). I have not worked outside the Christian world, but I'm starting Muslim side, and it's going to be different compared to the vanilla, since it will turn around the Caliphate and Iranian competing ideologies (including borrowed from Turkish).

For the Sacrum, the fact is that the particle is late and you also find the form "Imperium Romanum" very late. The problem of "nationem Germanorum" is that it changes little, think Louis XIV dream to qualify for the Empire, and I do not think he was German !

Ok, let's go for the organization. The idea comes indrectly from caocao268. Already, i thank you because he has already translated most scripts relating to France. So, I will present "themes" to translate. Post here to say to me what theme you like to translate, and I will send you by mp texts for translation :

THEME :

IMPERIUM ROMANUM (HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE) NOT DONE caocao is working

DUCATUS POLONIAE (POLAND) & REGNUM BRITANNIAE (Britannia) NOT DONE caocao268 is working

REGNUM FRANCIAE (FRANCE) DONE THANKS TO caocao268

CAROLINGIAN SPACE NOT DONE NO Yvanoff

REGNI HISPANIARUM REGNIQUE NORMANORUM (Spanish and scandinavians kingdoms) NOT DONE tsf4 is working

REGNI BOHEMIAE POLONIAE HUNGARIAEQUE (BOHEMIA ; POLAND ; HUNGARIA) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

TSARATS & BASILEIA TÔN RHÔMAIÔN (BYZANTINE EMPIRE) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

ROMAIOI PATCH NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

IMPERIUM ROMANIAE (LATIN EMPIRE OF CONSTANTINOPLE) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR
 
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Well, if you need my help later, I can do any theme, only not for the moment. With that said, I wish "une bonne chance" to any "anglois" speaking translator willing to do the job right now. :)
 
I'll answer a few posts and then I would tell you what I put in place to ensure the translation, thank you to all the volunteers!

@fanoI :

Thank you for indentation! I did not know at all what it is, and now I understand its importance.

Excellent ;)

Yes, you can not absorb the kingdom if you are emperor. And in fact, it is difficult, but it seems that this is rather Robertians who abandoned the idea of ​​naming their heir king of Aquitaine, but more than a decision, is really a "integration" with natural time from Pepin le Bref.

Yes it happened as a complex process and at least in the High Middle ages I'd imagine the remember of the Kindgdom of Aquitaine was strong, now a Marselleise feels to be totally a French that culture is lost for the Metropolitaine one, a sad thing IMHO :blush:

I suggest you check out the first page and you will see that 866, Bohemia is not de jure in the Empire ! She can go de jure in the Empire, however, become so strong emperor having borders with it (and if she is a Christian) asks her to be his vassal as the emperor is the temporal head of Christendom, like Poland and Hungria.

I was unsure regarding Bohemia indeed probably I've confused the de jure map of 866 with 1066, so I need before that Great Moravia collapses I'd imagine and someone forms Bohemia?

I suggest you chek AGAIN the frist page : a strong catholic king can claim the Empire (and go to a civil war in the Empire), if the emperor is not crowned, weak, and the Pope like the king moar than the king of roman.

Yes I've seen the first page the thing I don't "like" it that, for example, united Spain or united Britain are not indeed Empires but effectively they vassalized or pretended to vassalize other kings! This doesn't mean that, excluded some special cases, they were called always "Kings".

Knuth himself that you are representing in game (you are the first probably?) was effectively an Emperor of "The North Sea Empire" (no one called it in this way in that time but...) because indeed the King of Scotland and the myriad of Kings of Ireland sworn fealty to him... and who are you if a King bows to you? He was present to the coronation of a Holy Roman Emperor (Konrad?) and he was recognized by him - The Emperor - as his equal!
So? He was an Emperor not of the Romans, sure, but an Emperor nevertheless as the Shansha of Persia and
the Tenno of Japan!
The term "Emperor" without Rome disturb myself too but here really we are using the same word with two really meaning in Latin an Imperator and a "Magnus Rex" were two really different things... HRE and Byzantium interleaved the two terms so much that now we think that only "High King" is the Roman the only one "High King" :eek:

In fact, Alphonse X of Castille was crowned king of romans and was one of the strongest contenders in the Great Interregnum. Bosleslaw in Poland tried to obtain the imperial crown too. In France, the list of contenders of the imperial crown is long : Louis IX, Philippe III (Great Interregnum too), Charles de Valois, brother of Philippe le Bel, Philippe le Bel himself perhaps, François Ier, and at last but not least Louis XIV (When he took Alsace, he hesitated to leave as "Terre d'Empire" for better claim to the imperial crown).

Interesting!

Some historians say, as Annie Jourdain, that based on the writings of Napoleon, that he claimed to have received the empire as a "dot" (i don't know the english word, sorry :c), and the "Empire des Français" is the true Western Roman Empire (yes, yes, Napy pretended that is was the western emperor).

Well he was right for sure his claim was more "strong" that the Holy Roman Empire... "Le Empire des Français" was a Republic (and the first that write "an Empire cannot be a Republic" for punition should memorize the Constitution of the Empire above in German... written with French syntax :cool:) had a Senate and probably in a future after having found a suitable accommodation for the Pope (Honolulu?) Rome would have been is capital (see Napoleon II, the true King of the Romans).

For England, we have two examples, Richard of Cornouillailes and Henri VIII, and both try to get the imperial crown (of SER of course, in medieval tought, don't forget that they are only one empire divided in western and eastern), Richard of Cournouillailes managed, but Henri VIII failed. And for Da others empires, I always base on the political thought of the people of those times. And i suggest you to check again ( :p ) the first page, because Russian empire is formable if the byzantine empire is weak or dead, like the bulgarian and serbian empire. But the goal of those empires is to take Constantinople to show the world they are the real Emperors of the East (as Siméon, Ivan Asen I & III, Stefan Douchan etc.). I have not worked outside the Christian world, but I'm starting Muslim side, and it's going to be different compared to the vanilla, since it will turn around the Caliphate and Iranian competing ideologies (including borrowed from Turkish).

In that case I was confirming your work indeed... something that I could have lost was for your bad indentation :rofl:
I'm unsure if with Bulgarian Empire alive Russia could be formed as Bulgaria has a "proxy" claim more strong on Constantinople.

For the Sacrum, the fact is that the particle is late and you also find the form "Imperium Romanum" very late. The problem of "nationem Germanorum" is that it changes little, think Louis XIV dream to qualify for the Empire, and I do not think he was German !

I see the adding of that particle as an admission of the defeat, indeed, as if they had renounced to any claim on Italy, French and to the fact to be "The Empire". It is pretty obvious that if the King of French joins Germany and France in a giant middle European Empire... well the particle is lost as "The Empire" is, indeed, restored in his full glory :cool:
 
THEME :

IMPERIUM ROMANUM (HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

DUCATUS POLONIAE (POLAND) & REGNUM BRITANNIAE (Britannia) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

REGNUM FRANCIAE (FRANCE) DONE THANKS TO caocao268

CAROLINGIAN SPACE NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

REGNI HISPANIARUM REGNIQUE NORMANORUM (Spanish and scandinavians kingdoms) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

REGNI BOHEMIAE POLONIAE HUNGARIAEQUE (BOHEMIA ; POLAND ; HUNGARIA) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

TSARATS & BASILEIA TÔN RHÔMAIÔN (BYZANTINE EMPIRE) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

ROMAIOI PATCH NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

IMPERIUM ROMANIAE (LATIN EMPIRE OF CONSTANTINOPLE) NOT DONE NO TRANSLATOR

I already started on the Ducatus Poloniae and some of the coronation events for the Holy Roman Emperor, so I'll take the themes related to those.
 
Hey I can take the Spanish and Scandinavian theme!
 
Does the localization mess up anything if I just play the current version. I don't think I can wait for a translation :sad:
 
Oh my god thats the mod I always wanted to make. Thats awesome! But wouldn´t the roman emperor try to vassalize the russians too if their catholic and he already vassalized Poland? Also the russians deserve their own empire maybe if constantinople falls and what about the bulgarians and serbs?
Edit: During the investiture controversy innocent refered to the emperor as rex teutonicum so its regnum teutonicum
 
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Edit: During the investiture controversy innocent refered to the emperor as rex teutonicum so its regnum teutonicum

Rex Teutonicum was more an insult than an actual title, meaning to say that the Emperor only had the right to rule the Germans in his own lands. King of the Romans would imply his power over the lands of the Roman Empire, which was seen as unacceptable to a Pope who wanted to retain the supreme authority over Rome and Christendom for himself.
 
@fanoI : Sorry to answer you so late !

I was unsure regarding Bohemia indeed probably I've confused the de jure map of 866 with 1066, so I need before that Great Moravia collapses I'd imagine and someone forms Bohemia?
Yes !
For da Empires, for me it's no, because it's must be an equivalence and I hear by equivalence a claim to universality. And I highly doubt that Knut had received in Latin, the imperator title, cause the only imperator is the roman imperator :p

@caocao : All right !

@Farcheal : thanks !

@Elias : Thanks ! You need to change the game in french, or the locatization is very imcomplrte~~

@LeCVHCK : Thanks you ! In fact, yes they should go to Russia (if it's catholic), in fact any Catholic country. I think I'll change soon da script. For Bulgarians and Serbs, yes, they can also form their empire if Constantinople falls.

@Yvanoff : Entendu, je t'envoie cela par MP, merci !