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Go ahead with either the Basileia or just Eastern Roman Empire if you want to keep to English but accurate names. I guess that depends on what approach you prefer to take.
You are correct about the weirdness of Great Britain and Ireland. What about something like "the Crown of British Isles" which wouldn't prejudice towards none of the parties but would still retain the correction of geographical terms?
I originally translated quite a few of the different historical ranks/provincial_ranks to what they could have been (say Thema instead of County; Despotate instead of Greek kingdom, and so forth as much as I could find at that moment). I can pass the file to you, and you can look at what there seems fitting to you (certainly some of what I did was more akin to approximate localizing due to the lack of accurate possibilities). Let me know if you'd like to take a look though; it might be useful.
And, yes, Englaland looks very weird.It might be correct-correct, but I don't think it is worth it unless you'd like to translate all of the locality names to their home languages (which, while thorough, would probably be overdoing it).
Would really like to see that file
British Isles work for me, will change it in the coming version. Now I just have to work out if it should be an union(like GB was it practice), a kingdom(like it was called) or an empire.
Think I will go for the Rhōmaiōn thingy for the ERE
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Do I have to send a UN peacekeeping mission to this thread?
Hey, we haven't manifested any hostility towards each other.
Hey, we haven't manifested any hostility towards each other.
Sorry, will hold it back then
btw I have to sort out those Croatian barronies, do you know which should be included?
Anyhow, have you seen my notes about what else could be done about the setup?Sorry, will hold it back then
I have and Im glad you can confirm Temes. Sorting those Hungarian counties out is a nightmare, thankfully I have this lovely maphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingdom_of_Hungary_counties.svg but I don't know which should be included and which shouldn't. Also Bacs seems not to be located inside the Bacs-Bodrog county as far as my eye measurement and googlemaps can deduct:mellow:.
- Have fixed those Croatian province names.
- Im still not keen on adding Kosvo, those maps of early Rashka I looked at makes at least half of the intial settlements inside Kosovo.
- Macedonia, Im really lost on that one but four provinces would be to many, two is the maximum I can spare(I have too keep the total number down,) the strymon province that Skopje is inside currently, should be at the hellenic coast so that sould get moved(not sure what PI have put in its place, but I think its necceary to run all the themes of the area through and see what is what)
- I have not made any plans for Albania aside from adding Abër as a duchy(I love that bird in the flag
) so I have not got a better idea than you of what to do with the provinces, however if done that way I should probably correct the Albainan rivers first.
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Bogčin and Radača won't be able to show their "č" should I put them up as Bogcin and Radca or should I drop using them?
I have and Im glad you can confirm Temes. Sorting those Hungarian counties out is a nightmare, thankfully I have this lovely maphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingdom_of_Hungary_counties.svg but I don't know which should be included and which shouldn't. Also Bacs seems not to be located inside the Bacs-Bodrog county as far as my eye measurement and googlemaps can deduct:mellow:.
- Have fixed those Croatian province names.
- Im still not keen on adding Kosvo, those maps of early Rashka I looked at makes at least half of the intial settlements inside Kosovo.
- Macedonia, Im really lost on that one but four provinces would be to many, two is the maximum I can spare(I have too keep the total number down,) the strymon province that Skopje is inside currently, should be at the hellenic coast so that sould get moved(not sure what PI have put in its place, but I think its necceary to run all the themes of the area through and see what is what)
- I have not made any plans for Albania aside from adding Abër as a duchy(I love that bird in the flag
Bacs, is modern day Bač. That map you have there is of 19th century Hungarian counties.
Here's one of the middle-ages 'setup' that may not be as precise, but could help you locate some counties/towns:
Raška struggled to gain control over strategic forts in south half Kosovo until late 12th century. After the battle of Pantino it soon established it reign over Lipljan and Prizren. Pantino was a ERE border fort, sitting across the Ibar river from Zvečan, Raška's brigdehead into the valley of river Sitnica to the south.
I still think that Raška & Kosovo could be made into separate counties - as you can see, Raška, until 1170's, had control only over northern fringes (20-30%) of modern-day province of Kosovo. (which maps did you look at btw?)
Yeah, 4 may be overkill for Macedonia...if you're gonna make it into two, then Skoplje and Ochrid would be obvious choices. If you're going by ERE themes - todays Macedonia was a part of "theme of Bulgaria".
What that CoA that you like so much?
Thanks for the map, hope I can get the clarity I lack, from looking on it, having spend the day trying to sort out Hungary Im officially confused:mellow:
But then it would leave a rather small Kosovo if Rashka should have the north, and I don't think we can remove the northern piece because half the settlement (at least those I could find) thats linked to Rashka is in that little northern area ... Will see if I can rember where I found thoes maps tomorrow(it was quite a strange way I got to it while researching settlements, so hopefully I can recreate it.
Thanks, I had looked into a lot about the themes but most of the maps dosn't conern themselfs with Bulgaria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Principality_of_Arber.JPG This little birdie
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Would really like to see that file
British Isles work for me, will change it in the coming version. Now I just have to work out if it should be an union(like GB was it practice), a kingdom(like it was called) or an empire.
Think I will go for the Rhōmaiōn thingy for the ERE
Here you go then; most of it should be self-explanatory as far as it goes (this is the basis for what I later used in the localization files, but I think it is easier to read than the specific localization files so for an overview this suits better). View attachment local.zip
Let me know what you think.
EDIT: As said, you could leave it unspecified by using a generic term (such as 'Crown') which would still signify lordship over those places. Empire would have very little basis in anything (not even Australia or Canada prompted British monarchs to proclaim emperorship -- only India did, and that at the very height of colonialism); if it is just Kingdom it might come off a bit weak (if that makes sense), uniting the Kingdoms of Scotland, Ireland, England, and Wales into the Kingdom of British Isles sounds a bit weaker than creating the Crown of British Isles or say... Commonwealth of the British Isles which also has a certain ring to it. Other possible options (that spring to my mind) are Realm of the British Isles (doesn't sound too good, I think), Union of the British Isles (sound rather bad, in my opinion), Tetrarchy of the British Isles (almost awful). Another possibility would be to approach from a 'Latin' point of view and call it 'Pax Britannica' or 'Lex Britannica' which have English equivalents but which do not sound as good. 'Lordship of the British Isles' might also do though it likewise carries the problem of being rather weak.
That's all that I can think of right now on that topic.
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thank you! there is quite a few titles I had not included yet in that file.
I think I will keep the norse ones I already got though, instead of haveing one for each culture(eastnorse/donska tunga did not diverge in any meaningfull way until the 13th-14th century.
About the Norwegian ones, I don't think that you would want to use Sýsla and Sysselman for Norway since they are not directly comparable to county and count(more like cheif judge/local mayor), even though I have used the Syssel system for some of my new provinces in Jutland its not a good idea to use it for other places since everywhere else it was strictly a clerigycal adminstrative unit during the meival period. I would suggest to use Fylki for the Norwegian counties and then the same one for the Danish and Norwegian count(Herra would be most correct both for barron and count in the medival period but else just use greve)
Well, as I said, I went very approximately. Not a major professional in Scandinavian history, and it did what it was supposed to do then. You're welcome to use any of it as you see fit.
What could also be thought of (as I've started to do there for a bit) is culture specific honorary titles (say that the well-developed civilization of Rome has dozens of useless titles to bestow upon vassals while Saxons keep to the basic options).
Also, if you actually want the localization file so you don't have to copy everything yourself, here you go. You'll need to change the Norse ones you didn't think most appropriate though. View attachment localisation.zip
What could also be thought of (as I've started to do there for a bit) is culture specific honorary titles (say that the well-developed civilization of Rome has dozens of useless titles to bestow upon vassals while Saxons keep to the basic options).
Also, if you actually want the localization file so you don't have to copy everything yourself, here you go. You'll need to change the Norse ones you didn't think most appropriate though. View attachment localisation.zip
Well you do have a miniature Shibenik county a bit to the west
Even if you put a smaller Kosovo - the part that only later incorporated into Serbia, it would still have significant settlements in it: Lipljan, Prizren, Pristina, Novo Brdo, Nerodimlje
I'm taking about this:
Cute!
Well, as I said, I went very approximately. Not a major professional in Scandinavian history, and it did what it was supposed to do then. You're welcome to use any of it as you see fit.
What could also be thought of (as I've started to do there for a bit) is culture specific honorary titles (say that the well-developed civilization of Rome has dozens of useless titles to bestow upon vassals while Saxons keep to the basic options).
Also, if you actually want the localization file so you don't have to copy everything yourself, here you go. You'll need to change the Norse ones you didn't think most appropriate though. View attachment 54417
Wow you have been busy
hmy: 400 titles, thats quite a few, I had made only 170 tops . Thanks for the file makes it a bit easierbtw how sure are you of the Russian ones? there is a few Im not sure of
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Which ones would they be? It was complicated to think of a Russian equivalent for a Count/Baron level I think, but the ones I have there are representative of the feudal system they had. Admittedly, I do not think a druzhinnik had to be a landowner (at least I wouldn't think they had based on what I've read about Kievan Rus) but it was still a high status position which I would roughly equate to a landownership. Knyaz and Velikii Knyaz, I am very confident in -- just Russian versions for Prince and Grand Prince (which is also why they both govern a Principality) which were the titles of governorship they used.
Its not to big nor to small it has just the right sizeWell you do have a miniature Shibenik county a bit to the west
thanks, its a much better map than anything I got hold off.
- Druzhinnik, think it means warband leader(a bit funny to have a female version of this
) so Boyar(how did you find the female form? I tried but no luck) would probably be better and then a count would be a Velikiy Boyar(they actually used the terms in pretty much this way)- Knyaz you are right, but I think you spelled them in the Bulgarian way. All the slavic cultures have some version of the same titles(dosn't always mean the same level of nobility) but the Bulgarians seems to be the first(recorded) to use many of them. Annoyingly the Bulgarians could not decide what level the titles should be, so they changed them 3-4 times:angry:
- Velikii Knyaz in Russian(as far as my research goes)
male form: Velikiy Kniaz
female form:Velikie Knjagini
Going for technical correction, you could transliterate it as either Velikii, Velikij, or Velikiy. Velikij is the most correct for what the last letter achieves, but Velikii is the one most pleasing to my eye which is why I kept to that.
Druzhinnik technically was just an armed companion of the Prince (say a Medieval equivalent of a Hetairoi), where a number of Druzhinniki formed a Druzhinitsa. Thereby also, the wife of said Druzhinnik would have been called a Druzhinnika in the court (compared to the wives of people who did not serve in the household guard). A boyar, contrary to a druzhinnik, was a generic term for a nobleman. The female "term" is just a feminine form of the male (if you've studied Russian or similar Slavic languages, it is not too different to 'known' what they are; I'd expect any genders in Scandinavian languages to work the same way?).
Druzhinnik technically was just an armed companion of the Prince (say a Medieval equivalent of a Hetairoi), where a number of Druzhinniki formed a Druzhinitsa. Thereby also, the wife of said Druzhinnik would have been called a Druzhinnika in the court (compared to the wives of people who did not serve in the household guard). A boyar, contrary to a druzhinnik, was a generic term for a nobleman. The female "term" is just a feminine form of the male (if you've studied Russian or similar Slavic languages, it is not too different to 'known' what they are; I'd expect any genders in Scandinavian languages to work the same way?).
Its the same(sort of) in Scandinavia and since I have not studied any slavic language I won't complain about the gramma
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I'll just add that most English speakers prefer, in the case of a Russian double "ii", to write the second as "iy" as in the transliteration you provided. In my first language, the other format "ij" was correct due to the difference in how we pronounce "j" or "y". Nevertheless, the purpose that the letter has can be simply achieved by a "ii", especially given there is no major difference in the result.