Monarchs (and leaders) naming

[Toio]

Could you please expand your thoughts on this, do you have any examples in mind?Like the title says, the thread is also concerned with leaders' names. Do you think any of the rules above should be different when it comes to leaders? Bordic, I think, mentioned the fact that some leaders may have been mostly known by their nicknames.

I am saying that you cannot simply have one rule for every state in EU2 , what about the arabic states ?. Also each italian state had different naming systems.

some italian states used a I (roman numeral) some not, some states basically used their title and not their names.

on leaders, many had nicknames and historians know them by their nicknames
example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattamelata

Also, from the BIF threadrovided that rule #1 is applied, I have very strong doubts that basque was used in the Navarrese court at any point in our time frame, so I agree.
Now, I know you dislike being considered as the memory of this forum but I, personnally, have no idea what the "pre-basque forms" were. Shouldn't Castilian be used for a time, before French is?

The language was basque for the people and still is, while the court spoke Navarro-aragon language, basically catalan, which is very very close with occitan, which as you know is also french.
I think it should remain basque or catalan, (never castilian)

OR

HEAVEN forbid, introduce Occitan
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[Toio]

Agreed.


Agreed.


My thoughts on this are: disregard examples of "I", "Ier" and other variations of the first monarch of a name - only history itself (hindsight, in other words) tells us that another of the same name ever succeeded; in straight game terms, we do not.

So, as an example for FRA, I'd go with "François" and then "François II" for his grandson.

This also solves the problem of fantasy (either * or ° ) monarchs of the second of their name succeeding historical ones.

Still, this is only my opinion, and I certainly agree we keep what has hitherto been suggested by consensus, as Third Angels says in the OP.

On this naming business , how about some links from the net, because continental Europe seems to have different system ( thid comment is NOT just directed at you)

 

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I agree with Third Angel's proposal. However, about I and nicknames, I think we have to take "culture" of the country in account.


About Navarre, I'm not sure but I tnink only Trastamara dynasty should have Catalan(?)/Spanish names and all others French.

 

[Toio]

I agree with Third Angel's proposal. However, about I and nicknames, I think we have to take "culture" of the country in account.


About Navarre, I'm not sure but I tnink only Trastamara dynasty should have Catalan(?)/Spanish names and all others French.

About navarre, after game considerations, i think the province of navarre should remain basque as this gives NAV and Foix the opportunity to make a "greater " navarre ( via events) without the rebellious, loss of MP, loss of income and remain rebellious if either SPA or ARG holds the area.

I also think, the monarchs names should reflect their basque names until the court become franconized.
I have no link on the net to indicate anything else.
IMO, 1419 to 1478 basque names
1479 onwards, name via house of Foix, ........french names

 

[Garbon]

I also think, the monarchs names should reflect their basque names until the court become franconized.
I have no link on the net to indicate anything else.
IMO, 1419 to 1478 basque names
1479 onwards, name via house of Foix, ........french names

Do you have anything that suggests they used Basque names? Navarre was pretty connected to France (it's king at the start of our period owned land there...his own father, a previous king of Navarre, was born there)...it was also pretty well connected to Aragon and Castile. Do we have evidence that they were using Basque names?

 

[Toio]

Do you have anything that suggests they used Basque names?

no

Navarre was pretty connected to France (it's king at the start of our period owned land there...his own father, a previous king of Navarre, was born there)...it was also pretty well connected to Aragon and Castile. Do we have evidence that they were using Basque names?

they (NAV), as i explained earlier where not using Castilian names but navarro-aragon names which is nearly similar to Catalan based, which is similar to occitan.

So, if not basque, then a catalan form will do.

My preference was for basque till 1478

 

[Garbon]

I'm fine with Catalan names till 1470s and then French.