Cohen said:
A very bad session for Finland, which suffered an utter defeat, bringing them out of any part, even the minor, of the conflict, all thanks to the betrayal of Hungary.
No betrayal at all, Hungary is still part of the Great Axies
The defeat was couse you moved to attack when you had to defend already taken provs that were in finnish color now
Cohen said:
I missed many session, true.
You missed also that Andrew and I had plans in skandinavia,
and you did not ask anything just messed those up quickly.
Cohen said:
AI already gimped Finland with not so useful researches, and producing that many brigades that Finland got more brigades than divisions, thus reducing the ESE.
Thats why I send you those troops, what you said are not needed.
Cohen said:
The starting situation to wasn't bad, with the Finnish Army advancing unmatched in Norway, supported by an army of 12 Hungarian divisions, the so called "Walkyrye Expedition" by the Hungarian Leader.
I didn't expected to advance much, as Norway offer many ports for the Allies to bring troops in. Which happened soon, just after 1 province was stripped off the norvegian hands since the start of the session.
Thats what Andrew also said to you at the sessions start,
but you did not listen: we are now mostly in
defensive
Expedition Valkyrie was meant to be the bulwark of the assaults in Norway, with the elite Hungarian troops,
with our best equipment...and then you
ordered/demanded that they stay on guard missions, even if original plan was that finns defens shores.
two failures in this:
-You can't order me around, maybe if you had asked for...but you didn't
-your troops with bad equipment, and old weapons you wanted to attack norway, not using the advantage of an experienced Army under the command of a Veteran Field Marshall
Cohen said:
Noticing USA motorized forces, supported by tanks and a neat air superiority, the first problem was to setup a defendible borderline. Either to keep the front stuck and drain precious mobile forces to USA, or to wait help from Germany. For sure the minor forces were not able to breaktrough.
The Defensive Plan:
Throndeim was held by first 14, then 23 Allies division, 2 of them Norvegians and the rest was USA. Setting up 1 province north the Finnish Army counted up to 17 divisions, with 6 more coming including the Headquarter.
With entrench bonus, and hills, even if beaten they would have for sure lowered USA org. Just behind, Narvik, with his VP, airfield, naval base, and mountain terrain.
The 12 Hun divisions should have held Narvik. That was the Finnish order.
Exactly, the Hungarian King never takes orders from anyone, Hitler and the King worked together, and that worked fine till now,
and then you pop-in and order us around? You're dreaming.
Also you could have think about defensive actions a bit earlier, or at least again I say to
ask our plans that we had before you came back 
Cohen said:
The Starter:
Planes were sent in night mission to scout, spotting Oslo unguarded, and managing to shoot down the lone Norvegian INT.
By pressuring the Germany, a quick landing in Oslo could have brought to annexation of Norway.
The problem was that Andrew spotted my repeated request 2 weeks after I did it at start, and by that time 9 USA divs were already in Oslo..
Atlast something that was correct, but I think the Führer had more important matters to attend to, and transport ships are hard to defend.
Cohen said:
The big plan, how to win in Norway, and ensuring an Axis held Scandinavia:
In 10 days about from above situation, the HQ and extra 5 INF divs would have reached the borderline, ready to strike.
Germany should have landed in Bergen: naval base, airbase, and mountain to help defending the beachead. And no allied troops nearby to counterattack immediately.
Given other ports and shores were very nearby Denmark, if German troops got a foothold in Norway, it would have been easy to bring there more and more. With airbase providing a bonus to air fights to be on par with USA planes based in Olso and Throndeim.
Taking Bergen would as well menace to wipe out the USA troops in Throndeim, or either a quick blitz to the plains of Olso, allowing an annexation.
With the Finnish menace from north, more landing sites at south, and a German held Bergen, the USA situation in Norway would have been gloomy.
The biggest problem would have been to Germany player itself. Usually busy on multiple fronts, Andrew could have had problems keeping up the rytm required in Norway for such a small blitzkrieg.
What went wrong at first:
The Hungarians gave 13 divisions to Finnish (some chinese expeditionary force), and someone (I suppose Hungary, since he gave me troops and they some seconds after were strat moved) with military control had the brilliant idea of strat moving them from Balkans to Murmansk.
My TC burden skyrocketed high, not to talk of supply request off the Finnish low IC. The ESE of Finnish troops dropped to 13% ...
I just hoped that Allies didn't attacked my troops in Norway, and it would have required 2 months before the troops would arrive in Murmask, far at least 1 month for that slow infantry to reach the current borderline.
Not the smartest of the moves made by the Hungarian player.
The problem was that this was YOUR play not that of the axies, no talks about this happened or were agreed upon.
Cohen said:
What kept going wrong and more wrong:
The Hungarian player showed total failure in understading basic game mechanics and elementary strategy elements.
First of all asked more than once to declare war on Sweden, to break the bottleneck that USA troops made in Throndeim not realizing USA had superior troops there, and our troops were bottlenecking theirs and not vice versa.
Not only, this would have added 20 Swedish divs against us, and most important, a larger maneuver place for the faster mobile USA units, which could have rushed from Sweden into almost undefended Finland.
Strategy I do understand of, also basics of game i think.
YOU did not understand the basics of team-work, and strategical planning with fellow players.
I asked about swedis attack couse if it would been agreed upon, I could have 50 troops neir their borders in 1 month and then blitz them. That would not allow to annex Sweden so early that I know, but would allow to gain Norway trough Svedis provinces.
Cohen said:
The prelude to the end:
Somehow Germany ended up by moving his fleet once, and to never load troops and never land in Bergen.
A clash surged beetween me and Jorian. Jorian willing to attack the USA troops with my 17 divs and his 12 ones, which started to move from Narvik (leaving it empty at the end of the move) to our bordering position.
I denied any support, 27 infs attacking without HQ from a single province meant 17 divs attacking at bad efficiency. I got crappy ESE, defenders were in Forest, with many tanks as well and USA doctrines in mid '42.
We would have just gave up our entrench bonus, to get Org and especially manpower losses which were not quickly replaceable given Finnish and Hungarian IC and MP gains, and would have exposed to a counterattack.
Not to talk of a empty Narvik which meant that a landing there would bring our troops to encirclement.
As I was busy trying to explain to Jorian those game mechanics, UK landed where I forgot my planes, too busy talking, smashing them all. Sad, they got 50 exp each even if they were old models.
Jorian kept his line of attacking with his anti tank equipped units, with assault gear and extreme pushing force, according to the meaning of his words.
I still refused to do a suicidal attack. It ended up that Jorian strat moved away all his 12 divs, leaving Narvik totally unguarded, and my fastest mountain divisions would have taken alone 8 days to reach Narvik.
After you
ordered me mad: ) to stay in place with my main offensive army, I asked you if I could leave couse I can use them elsewhere, and you said yes, I can remove them.
Maybe Andrew remembers this also, it was in simple allied-chat.
Cohen said:
The bitter end:
USA planes which were flying over Finnish positions, spotted a sudden empty Narvik. USA bombers were launched, and the single mountain division was halted, cause reaching alone Narvik meant sure death to bombers. I could have strat moved away the troops if rules allowed (not sure about that since I had only 1 province to move along, but it's hard to define an encirclement when the front is a whole bottleneck of 1 line of provinces bordered by sea and a neutral Sweden), but I felt it like cheating more or less, so I did not.
My best hopes were that the HQ and the 5 divisions which were almost only 1 province far from Narvik reached it in time, meanwhile the 17 divisions held the front.
I asked for Germany help, for planes to fight the bombers which soon started to bomb my 6 divisions going to Norway, and for subs to cover Narvik until troops where in position. Nothing happened. The Finnish Army was doomed, with broken hopes that Allies would not land in Narvik in time.
Indeed UK armored forces landed in Narvik. The 6 divisions advacing in Narvik engaged a bitter fight, but the mountain protected well the tanks from the finnish, tired of forced marches to reach their positions to save their comrades.
USA forces unleashed their offensive as well, as the hammer smithing to the anvil. The 17 Finnish divisions, suddenly out of supply, and before Finnish convoys managed to bring there ammunitions and generic supplies, encircled and surrounded, crushed by technological superiority and with no way to escape, were forced to surrender after a grim fight in their entrenched positions.
Well, that was your own failure.
Cohen said:
This loss deprived the Finnish of 17 out of 27 total divisions, not to add the loss of whole airforce before.
The manpower loss were enormous, and the poor finnish industrial capacity wouldn't be able to restore losses (MP for top 5 divs more was avaiable).
With no more forces to backup the crippled front, Finnish is doomed to be conquested, annexed or puppetted by the enemy.
Well, I wanted to give you more troops, even after your feeble plans and the loss of that army you would now have atleast 30 more troops.
Cohen said:
I don't think to have done anything bad, except eventually piss off the uncompetent Hungarian player, which now is in my black list as player. A ruin for the team he play with, with no grasp of how the game works in deep.
I'm sorry if this could offend any other player, in the AAR, but I'm really really angry for what happened, and I consider this "not so histo-role playing" part being into the AAR itself.
This shows that you were not here quite many sessions, you mostly played then your own games.
I helped very much for the Axies:
-helped with three armies against SU
-supported once liberation of Balkans, once liberated turkey together with Germany, began to liberate Italy (and that worked quite well till that weird peace of Japan), and once I liberated balkans on my own (had command over quite many nations, but still, that was me)
The problem is, you were not part of this game a long time, and still you ordered me around like a newbie, messed up all plans in skandinavia,
and now this '
AAR' shows how a person can not understand that that was in-game, and you 'signed me on your black list' as a player, even as we played many games together, you even asked me to join your games permanently not just once, and we talked many times and agreed over some things.
Becouse I am also angry couse of his childish acting, I will not post now a
real AAR, I have to 'get down' before that.
Cohen: I have no quarrel with you, and if you apologise for ordering me around, and the things you said here, we can forget this all again.
Never forget that this is a game, and other nations could have a real, living person behind a monitor, who has also feelings like yourself.
Also don't forget that as this is a game,
some of us may play RP, as I did: as I said no one orders the King around, I just did not leave the axies becouse I, as a player have courage and loyality to Andrew, who was a real partner in the game, and never betrayed or commanded me around.
If I had played RPG 100%, I would have left the Axies couse of Cohens acting, but that would have made the game lost for whole axies, and I did not want to do that to Andrew or Januss.
