Mongols

[unmerged(5459)]

As you guys said, the Mongols were interested in money. And the Mongols, in the 13-14th century did interfere quite a bit in Russian politics at the time. Hell, one Golden Horde Khan even interfered with Hungarian politics even after the invasion!
But fortifications would not have held long anyway. Chinese amd Muslim siege experts would take care of anything in no time. And W. Europe have no armies left to kill Mongols. The battle of Liegnitz finished off a big German-Franco-Polish force, another battle within two days finished off a big Hungarian-Teutonic force. And if terrain did not suit them, the Mongols were very willing to accept any troops who did not feel like dying for their country (as was the case in China - the Southern Sung would not have fallen if the navy had not defected).

There's this book, "THe Mongols" by David Morgan. IT's bloody good. He discusses everything from Genghis' unification to military structure to communications to the effects of the Mongols on history.

 

[unmerged(5459)]

Sorry to go on like that, it's just that the Mongols are rather my strong point...
ANd I wanna play them!
"Flagellum Europa" - The Scourge of Europe

 

[unmerged(3236)]

Crossbowmen would not stand a chance against mongols as they would b shot dead before they was close enough, the same for longbowmen. To show how superior the Mongols was in tech the english longbowmen, who was the by far best in europe could shoot 200 yards and the mongols shot 350 yards from the back of his horse. Any nation trying to face the mongols with archers would basicly just put up targets for the mongols to practice shooting.

The only thing europe could use against the Mongols are light cavalary, but since the mongols have trained combat in the sadle their whole life not even that is a good thing to do.

The mongols was so superior at this time that only a large failure by them and a huge sucsess by their foe could even hurt them. This happened to Ogaldai Khans army and he died, would he survived europe would not look the way it does today.

 

[unmerged(5459)]

Originally posted by Lars

The only thing europe could use against the Mongols are light cavalary, but since the mongols have trained combat in the sadle their whole life not even that is a good thing to do.

The mongols was so superior at this time that only a large failure by them and a huge sucsess by their foe could even hurt them. This happened to Ogaldai Khans army and he died, would he survived europe would not look the way it does today.

The Mongols never suffered a defeat during Ogadai's reign, though many think they lost heavily at Liegnitz (but no figures are known)
And Mongols had some armoured heavy cavalry armed with lances, designed to break an enemy already broken by continuous accurate arrow downpours. But the essence of the army was the light cavalry archer.
The Mongol compound bow was made of layers of horn and sinew on a wooden frame, and required a pull much stiffer than that of an ENglish longbow. It had impressive range and penetration power. Handguns could not match their power for a very long time.

 

[unmerged(3236)]

I never claimed they lost the battle i only claimed it hurted them

Yes the Mongol compositebow was the true superwepon of the time and it wasnt transfered to their enemies much due to the fact that the first time someone saw the weapon was also the last time.

It is fun to meet someone who are a even larger mongol fanatic then myself, doesnt happen to have icq?

 

[unmerged(5459)]

Ah, no ICQ... I'm at boarding school most of the time, and they don;t like things like that...

RUmours spread by Hungarian survivors claimed that the Mongols used gunpowder, and ate the dead bodies on the field. This led the Pope in 1246 to finally declare that the Mongol hordes have dog-heads, breathe evil demonic fire, come from Tartarus in Hell (and not from Prestor John), and eat the bodies of their victims.
He was a bit slow on the uptake (the invasions had stopped five years beforehand)

 

[unmerged(3236)]

Originally posted by Dimwit
Ah, no ICQ... I'm at boarding school most of the time, and they don;t like things like that...

RUmours spread by Hungarian survivors claimed that the Mongols used gunpowder, and ate the dead bodies on the field. This led the Pope in 1246 to finally declare that the Mongol hordes have dog-heads, breathe evil demonic fire, come from Tartarus in Hell (and not from Prestor John), and eat the bodies of their victims.
He was a bit slow on the uptake (the invasions had stopped five years beforehand)

lol, the papcy have done a lot of funny things, but i am sure the mongols was more frighting then a whole army of those deamons. And about the gunpowder, i can imagine that there is a very loud bang when such a powerfull bow is used.

 

[unmerged(5459)]

Originally posted by Lars


lol, the papcy have done a lot of funny things, but i am sure the mongols was more frighting then a whole army of those deamons. And about the gunpowder, i can imagine that there is a very loud bang when such a powerfull bow is used.

The Pope sent Guyuk Khan a letter asking him to stop any future invasions and convert to Christianity. His reply? "Be my vassal or die"

And in truth, the Mongols had specially designed arrows. Some just clubbed the enemy (basically big balls of metal), some pierced armour, some were barbed, and a lot also whistled to produce a demoralising effect upon the enemy.

 

[HisMajestyBOB]

And about the gunpowder, i can imagine that there is a very loud bang when such a powerfull bow is used.

Did the Mongols use any gunpoweder weapons (or just rockets to demoralize the enemy) from china?

 

[unmerged(5459)]

I'm not too sure, they probably had some rockets. But it might have spooked the horses. And it's not as if they needed them.
Being dog-headed, a fire breather, a minion of Hell and a body eater is enough to scare the Christian enemy.