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Is it possible for UK or France to refuse Munich? In my current game as UK everything is historic except for my intervention in Spain (and the fact that the Nationalists won in about a month) and every Munich event I got had only one choice. Also, is it possible for USSR or Czechs to be invited?
 
I'm playing the UK now and confirm that the UK gets no choice whatsoever for any events except the SCW. The UK is just a passive bystander to everything that happens, with no ability to alter history at all in response to Germany's actions. It's rather disappointing.
 
Really?

I'm pretty sure France has choices...
 
it is possible for the UK to play "hardball" in certain circumstances - though, in many ways, I'd suggest it makes for a pretty boring option, since it will either push you into an early war (that generally means an early end to Germany), or will result in a rather "quiet" Germany, and potentially no WW2 in the "historical" sense (Japan will still be stomping away in China, no doubt). And eventually the USSR might get rather "restless", but that will be tricky to do much against as the UK, at least in the early stages - limited access, etc.

Tim
 
The "early end" to Germany is precisely what typically happens when France, which -- unlike the UK -- does have choices, decides to be ahistorically ballsy. The worst-case for France is that the French have to retreat back to the safety of the Maginot line and Germany is left with serious internal dissent. Going ahistorical is generally a smart move for the French. But at least they get that option. It seems that the UK is too isolationist (regardless of its slider settings) to wish to get involved in keeping the world a "boringly quiet" place. ;)
 
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senortaco said:
Is it possible for UK or France to refuse Munich? In my current game as UK everything is historic except for my intervention in Spain (and the fact that the Nationalists won in about a month) and every Munich event I got had only one choice. Also, is it possible for USSR or Czechs to be invited?
Yes, it IS possible (event 820065 triggers it all). But in order to have these options you have to be allied to France, the Anschluss must have fired, and the UK's intervention level should be at least 8. I do recall there has been some tinkering to the UK being allied to France, so that might be the cause of it all.
 
Considering where the UK's intervention level begins at (4, IIRC), I don't think you'll ever be able to meet that level-8 requirement, thus it's moot.
 
Well maybe the chain is a bit off due to some changes in the intervention levels. I'll Mantify it for review.
 
There are a number of ways to influence the Munich proceedings (hence the 200+ events for it alone...), while most are very difficult to attain and not always in the hands of the player (of the UK, in this instance). It is intentional, since in reality ENG had very little true choice (institutional limitations that are difficult to overcome). I have played ENG on a number of occasions and have, when I've really wanted to, been able to go ahistorical. It could bear some review, perhaps, but I doubt much will change since it is meant to be difficult.

For the record, ENG Interventionism starts at 6 and thus reaching 8 by early 1938 (Anschluss) is by no means all that difficult as long as you really want to go ahistorical.
 
I'm playing as GB too and could also just watch how Germans took Czechoslovakia, I had no other option at all. I mean, it's not that I want to go to war immediately (although a modest 1% chance for AI when deciding about that question wouldn't be wrong, I suppose), but I do want to be able to tell Herr Hitler that I'm really annoyed, instead of clicking "oh yeah, it's ok, go ahead".
 
What I find passing strange is that for many events (such as the SCW) CORE does provide more than one option, with a major dissent penalty for deviating from the historical ('A') choice. Even if it's unlikely (to the point of swallowing a 10 or even 20 dissent, as you do with the B and C options for SCW), there should be some alternatives. Most players won't choose to go that route (discouragement is what the serious dissent penalties are for), but the option should exist, however unpalatable it's made to the player. Sure, it might be boring to crush an unprepared Germany in late '38 or early '39, but it's rarely a bad thing to give players more choices to decide upon. Besides, if it's allowed for the French or the Soviets to go to war with Germany in 1936, is it so bad to allow the UK some chance in 1938 to stand up to Herr Corporal?

As for ENG beginning at Intervention 6, there are various random and nonrandom events that can shove the slider towards isolationism. Even without such problems (I got hit by one of those involuntary isolationist slider shifts, which forced me to reload the game from a point months earlier), you'll still need to move the slider yourself by at least 1 towards intervention in the prewar years if one wishes to help Poland in Sep '39. 6 + 2 (for GoI to Poland) is 8, and you need 9 for the DoW, thus the +1 shift players must make themselves.
 
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