My Fantasy scenario...

[Greywolf]

Here is the fantasy scenario I plan to make as soon as I can put my greedy hand on some editor...



1936

Italy:

After the League of Nation sanctions and bad conduct of the war in Ethiopia unrest growth in Italy. Massive southern population is still composed of poor peasant while rich industrial and land owner sustain the faciste party. The king support this state of affair in front of his own people. More and more communist cells developped and put the growing idea of massive land redistribution into the people mind. Worried about the growing rebellious spirit Mussolini order another sweeping of opponent.
But this time if things go swiftly in the industrial North, Camisa Nere troups are rebuffed by massive revolts in the south, Police units and some army regiment quickly revolt against their officiers and join the move. In weeks the civil war erupt and the Proletarian army seize Roma. The king flee to England, Mussolini and his party elites to Germany.
The Proletarian Republic of Italy is proclamed, peace is immediatly conduct in Africa. USSR recognize the new regim and start sustaining him with all the necessary ressources lacking in the peninsula. Industries are nationalised and major land reform occur bolstering the agricultural production, a huge mecanisation effort start too with some Tractor Factory are built from soviet counsellors. By 1937, the PRI join the Comintern.

Spain

Afraid of the communist uprising in Italy, generals hurry on the starting of their coups. Alas they speed too much and some crucials informations leaked. At start time only half the expected units follow their leader, mainly in colonial morocco. Alas the whole fleet refuse to join in rebellion as sailors sequestrate their officiers. Cut from the mainland the rebellion only touch the southern part of Spain.
At the immediate annoucement of the coup huge reinforcement are send from USSR and Italy to the fellow socialist republic of Spain. In 2 month the civil war is over. Before even having started out. But as soon as this military revolt is quieted the anarchist and communist activist start their own coup. This time they are backed up by Italian and Russian troups and quickly take the power. Spanish republic is now a full communist paradise, it become the People's Republic of Spain.
With all this new country joining his side and to quiet possible opposition Staline order the Party scientifics to start working on the idea of the "Socialist Divine Order" and any other thesis that could permit a close up with Vatican. After all with Italy and Spain communist regims, Papist agreement means a lot of divisions
Anyway situation isn't too much quiet in Spain as a lmot of shadow opposition survive.

Germany

Situation is dimmed as their main ally is lost. Military build up is accelerated and plan for the fortifying of the southern border are made. Alps will become and impregnable barrier.
Afraid from the Communist contagion a lot of countries turn to Germany for protection. Austria is Anschlussed, and closer ties are set with Scandinavia and Turkey.
But strangely Balkanic states and Poland turn to another possible savior.

France

The news of the Red Rabies quicly working his way through Europe spray a lot of disconfort in French public opinion. The old fear of bolchevism light up again and the Front Populaire is eyed with more and more of suspicion. The Leagues power is ressurected and a lot of Rightist and Monarchist movement got a renewed attention.
In the military, the mainly royalist and aristocratic officier corps is flabagasted. The blames goes to the appatic republican regims and the unworthy English ally that have always countered french action in the recent times.
IIIrd Republic unstable regims is more and more denounced. And the governement collapes. Election are made and a large military/rightist coalition is elected. Remembering the real roots of the IIIrd republic ( a tempory regim supposed just to make the interim before a restoration of monarchy ) the Assembly repudiate the law that disallow to a royal familly member to occupy a political charge as unconstitutionnal. The new president is quickly choosen = Charles d'Orleans take the reins.
His first gesture is to elect a military man as his prime minister, in recognition of army deed in his back to power. He choose an ambitious and daring young officier whoses thesis seems quite revolutionnary but loyalty is bound to the crown : Colonel De Gaulle.
"La patrie en danger" is proclaimed and De Gaulle take the whole powers. A new constitution his voted and republic is dead. A new empire is proclamed in wich the officier corps take a large political power. The French Troisiéme Empire ( IIIrd Reich, how coincidental ).
Quickly treaties are signed and military help assumed in case of Bolchevik agression with Poland. The Little Alliance is conforted and Balkanic states lounge into French shadow.
Versus Germany the political position is really cold as there is no way they could be trusted as allies but some kind of cooperation will be needed to fend off Communist Peril.

Political Situation at 1st January 1937 ( games start )

Democrats:

Major: CW, USA, CHINA
Minors: Belgium, Nederlands, Greece, Norway. other to be said.

Democrats side is the weakest one, but hopefully it isn't right in the way too. He got some times to build up before the 2 other ideologies settle on.

Facist:

Major: Germany, France, Japan
Minors: Finland, Poland, Roumania, Yougoslavia, Turkey, Sweden. Hungary...

One of the strongest side but plagued by their unwillingness to cooperate with each other. A lot of their territorial ambitions are antagonists and they all distrust each other. Their only common goal is to stop the commies spreading.

Communist:

Major: USSR, Italy
Minors: Spain, Czecoslovakia ...

You get the initiative, you got the power, you get your forces surrounding the Axis... or is it the reverse. The global confrontation in Europe cannot be avoided anymore. Will you take the initiative or strenghen your back to resist the assault ?





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So any comments ? any beta advice on how is it possible to achieve this scenario ( with probably a lot of scripting and forgetting the ingame VP system ) ?

 

[unmerged(2377)]

Sounds good.

 

[Sam Vimes]

Interesting, but I'm not sure about the French evolution, maybe a bit to far fetched. I would have rather gone with a military-paternalist regime, pretty similar to Franco's in Spain...

Actually I had been thinking of a kind of fantasy scenario where the Feb 6th 1934 protest in France led to the a coup by Colonel de La Roque and his Croix de feu and close alliance with Mussolini to stop resist German breaks of the Versailles treaty...

 

[Razgovory]

Nifty scenario. Most of my fantasies involve alot of women not wearing much Although I Think you should have posted in the Mod forum. Now your going to get the dreaded "knock in the night"

 

[unmerged(5790)]

OK was there or was there not a communist revolution in Bulgaria? (If you haven't descided then I'd advise there wasn't) You could use Greece in the region, Communists were more seerious there.

Democrats:

Major: CW, USA, CHINA
Minors: Belgium, Nederlands, Greece, Bulgaria, Norway. other to be said.

Communist:

Major: USSR, Italy
Minors: Spain, Czecoslovakia, Bulgaria.

 

[BiB]

Fantasy mod, u say?

 

[Greywolf]

Sam Vimes: well basically it is a paternal-monarchy in HoI terms. I choose to start in 1936 because starting earlier would have cause much more of trouble. Especially any French rupture with CW prior to '36-'38 will mean Germany is doomed as France will never allow them to finish their rearming.

Zmeiat Joro: Minors have alot to be worked on, many that I put into list are there because of alliance with country, not actual change in regims. I guess Greece should be put middle ground between Commies and Demos. I put Bulgaria because of my limited political knowing of the areas, I always viewed them as the more neutral of all thus more prone to get on the allied or commies side than axis. Perhaps I should start them as fully neutral. What was their status versus Little Alliance ?

BiB: Well, well, well ... It is a Fantasy if not my fantasy The basic idea come from a discussionwith my brother about how could have France act more efficiently against Germany and what option we could have to change reasticaly the WWII basic situation while keeping things interesting and balanced.

Basically I had 2 choice for France : turning it Communist or Facist ( in the faction sens , not, political ). Communist will be too potent as it will probably allow a French/USSR alliance to crush germany on a strong 2 pronged attack. And I wasn't sure it was at all a possibility, France left vote largely for keeping out of Comintern in 1920 so I dont see any possible change. Turning right is much more possible due to strong anti-republican feeling at this time. And the reading of the birth of the 3rd Republic in 1870+ and how it was supposed to be just an interim before monarchy restauration keep me on this idea.

I think it will produce a largely balanced game and war. The interesting things is that, once Communist will be defeated ( or if ). The 'Facist' side will probably throw himself at each other throat.

Many interesting events can be added too, like a Mussolini restauration. I also voted out the possibility of an Italian division between a South commies and a North Facist at it doesnt go with my main idea who was about France. Italian uprising was put as a detonator. But it can probably goes for another fantasy scenario.

Another interesting thing is that USA will probably stay entirely out of the war as none of their interest will be endangered ( except eventually by Japan ). And I think they are much more concerned by Commies defeat and European equilibrium than anything else. And an Europe divided between CW, FR and GE is pretty much balanced.

Problem is that to survive the 'Axis' will greatly need oil. French colonies can sustain somewhat in rubber but the oil will be needed barely and thus there is a Higu probability of the war concentrating in the Middle East. perhaps even an agression against CW there that could put England into the active side.


Another question about that:

BiB or other Beta:

How are the state of the Roumanian oil fields in game ? And are those Lybian ones already there or not ?

 

[unmerged(5790)]

Originally posted by Greywolf

Zmeiat Joro: Minors have alot to be worked on, many that I put into list are there because of alliance with country, not actual change in regims. I guess Greece should be put middle ground between Commies and Demos. I put Bulgaria because of my limited political knowing of the areas, I always viewed them as the more neutral of all thus more prone to get on the allied or commies side than axis. Perhaps I should start them as fully neutral. What was their status versus Little Alliance ?

You misuderstood me, I wanted to ask you are they Communist or Allied because you put them in both lists The goals were getting back the serbian and greek parts of Macedonia and south dobruja from romania, in this order of priority. But risks like army offensives wouldn't be taken for this after the humiliation in the diplomatic conferences at the end of the balkan and great wars. You also have to take into account the economic dependency on trade with Germany. You can put bulgaria wherever you think this places them in your aternative hisotry.

 

[Greywolf]

Originally posted by zmeiat joro
You misuderstood me, I wanted to ask you are they Communist or Allied because you put them in both lists The goals were getting back the serbian and greek parts of Macedonia and south dobruja from romania, in this order of priority. But risks like army offensives wouldn't be taken for this after the humiliation in the diplomatic conferences at the end of the balkan and great wars. You also have to take into account the economic dependency on trade with Germany. You can put bulgaria wherever you think this places them in your aternative hisotry.

Oups , I just doesnt noticed it.

Well I guess so I will put them in the neutral, non aligned but favoring slighty Germany.

 

[Gathenhielm]

Originally posted by Greywolf
Political Situation at 1st January 1937 ( games start )


Facist:

Major: Germany, France, Japan
Minors: Finland, Poland, Roumania, Yougoslavia, Turkey, Sweden. Hungary...
[/B]

By Fascist you mean they are idealogi is fascist or are they just part of the same alliance?

Cause I dont think Finland need to be fascists. Around this time Soviet is probably allready demanding areas and the only way to survive for Finland is ally Germany.

Im a little bit unsure about Sweden. Maybe they could be forced by Germany or also feel some kind of threat. But it would be fun to see fascists trying to create a baltic empire.

Denmark could be a german puppet state.

 

[Greywolf]

By facist I mean litteraly " on the facist side of the game for VP calculation in the end ". And for the minor I didn't describe really their politics more, their allaince and bound.

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Cause I dont think Finland need to be fascists. Around this time Soviet is probably allready demanding areas and the only way to survive for Finland is ally Germany.
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Yes that the exact reason I show them there with Sweden. My postulate is that a Communist Contagion of Europe would make thoses countries that are neighbourg of USSR really cautious. Sweden and Finland have closer terms. Hsitorically Sweden start by trading Iron with Germany while Finland go into the wagon when agressed.

I am assuming that Germany manage to form a Scandinavian Union without touching to the political regim ( Monarchy for Sweden and Denmark, Dictatorship for Finland ). I excluded Norway because I am not sure that they are so close to the 2 other country and they are farther away from USSR.

Eventually I can add something in the idea that if all the 3 country become willing allies of Axis then it is possible to have them form a new Scandinavian Commonwealth. Is it plausible ? I know that Danish and Swedish people tend to dislike each other and that Norvegian take care of the other two. But is this idea somewhat realistic or not at all ?

Also , note that those countries are Germany allies, while Roumania, Yougoslavia and Poland are French allies ( perhaps Hungary too ). In my idea there is no alliance between the 3 facist tide as their ambition are so antagonist.

Japan convet French indochina as well as other Pacifics land.

Germany want his Polish land back from the war, and probably some french too. While France will be interested in getting back Sarre and Rhenanie.

The only thing that put them together is that they all hate USSR more than the other one. But the first to show an opening will be probably attacked by his so called ally.

I am starting to make basic script writing while waiting for the game. But I think it is possible to have them in weak alliance. All I need to found is a way to cancel them the possiblity to attack each other until USSR ( or at least Italy and Spain ) are defeated. Probably by event. Probably giving them good relation and putting some bareer to war ( cancelling land claim ) and progressively lower their relationship if they are successfull.

The idea is that Germany exchange a weak ally to a far stronger but more less reliable one. And France exchange a tottaly unreliable ally for a tottaly unreliable one ( but at last he can strike on this one )...

As thing are pretty well balanced I guess I will have to found a detonator event to the war. I doubt USSR will voluntarily take the initiative, France and Germany eye at each other waiting for the first opening. CW sit on his island reading to count the punch. I need some major uprising to make things move on. Any idea ?

Perhaps Ploesti being accidently destroyed by a huge incendy, Indian independancy movement backed up, or Ho CHi MIn starting his move earlier...

 

[Gathenhielm]

Originally posted by Greywolf
By facist I mean litteraly " on the facist side of the game for VP calculation in the end ". And for the minor I didn't describe really their politics more, their allaince and bound.


Yes that the exact reason I show them there with Sweden. My postulate is that a Communist Contagion of Europe would make thoses countries that are neighbourg of USSR really cautious. Sweden and Finland have closer terms. Hsitorically Sweden start by trading Iron with Germany while Finland go into the wagon when agressed.


I am assuming that Germany manage to form a Scandinavian Union without touching to the political regim ( Monarchy for Sweden and Denmark, Dictatorship for Finland ). I excluded Norway because I am not sure that they are so close to the 2 other country and they are farther away from USSR.


Eventually I can add something in the idea that if all the 3 country become willing allies of Axis then it is possible to have them form a new Scandinavian Commonwealth. Is it plausible ? I know that Danish and Swedish people tend to dislike each other and that Norvegian take care of the other two. But is this idea somewhat realistic or not at all ?



Also , note that those countries are Germany allies, while Roumania, Yougoslavia and Poland are French allies ( perhaps Hungary too ). In my idea there is no alliance between the 3 facist tide as their ambition are so antagonist.



Japan convet French indochina as well as other Pacifics land.
Germany want his Polish land back from the war, and probably some french too. While France will be interested in getting back Sarre and Rhenanie.
The only thing that put them together is that they all hate USSR more than the other one. But the first to show an opening will be probably attacked by his so called ally.



I am starting to make basic script writing while waiting for the game. But I think it is possible to have them in weak alliance. All I need to found is a way to cancel them the possiblity to attack each other until USSR ( or at least Italy and Spain ) are defeated. Probably by event. Probably giving them good relation and putting some bareer to war ( cancelling land claim ) and progressively lower their relationship if they are successfull.

The idea is that Germany exchange a weak ally to a far stronger but more less reliable one. And France exchange a tottaly unreliable ally for a tottaly unreliable one ( but at last he can strike on this one )...

As thing are pretty well balanced I guess I will have to found a detonator event to the war. I doubt USSR will voluntarily take the initiative, France and Germany eye at each other waiting for the first opening. CW sit on his island reading to count the punch. I need some major uprising to make things move on. Any idea ?

Perhaps Ploesti being accidently destroyed by a huge incendy, Indian independancy movement backed up, or Ho CHi MIn starting his move earlier...

Ok.


Sounds good to me.


Actually Norway bordering USSR, so they are not that far away. But it is cold and poor areas so maybe they are not that frightend.
To screw up thins more maybe it could be some kind of war between the commies and fascists in Norway? Like in Spain. Maybe it is just an dumb idea.


Well during the 19th century there where movements to form an union, but they mostly died out after that Sweden not supprted Denmark in the war against Germany. But that idea included only Sweden, Norway and Denmark not Finland. Tough question. Maybe a Germany supported coups in the countries?


Noted


I can just see it in front of my eyes:
Frenchman to German:
-We won the war. the USSR is crushed.
-Are you sure.
-Absolutely sure. I just heard it.
*the German takes out his gun and kill the frenchman*


Great. Really good idea. I hope it will be a good scenario.