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Shipyard moved from Ragusa to Venice.

hmmm, i might be wrong, but wasn´t ragusa´s wood one of the encouragements for venice to colonize it? and - i might be wrong again - in this case wouldn´t they have been stupid to build their ships in venice?
 
I am very happy that someone dose other scenarios but plz be realistic. Danzing, Western Prussia belong to Brandenburg? That did not happened till 1740s. First Polish Partition END OF THE GC. Eastern and Western Pomerania I may live with but one would be better. Sweden controlled large portion of them for long time...Specially Stettin which is large port city.
 
Pommerania Prince,

You are correct of course... But, you must remember the difference between core provinces and controlled provinces. Core provinces in enemy control gives a CB, which means that Brandenburg is more likely to expand in that direction, which is historically accurate. Call it an AI incentive.

/Doomie
 
weird god,

I am no expert on Venetian history, but other players have mentioned that Venice had a renowned wharf called the 'Arsenale' in Venice itself. Maybe Ragusa provided the raw materials, but I suspect that the ship industry resided in Venice.

/Doomie
 
Rogan,

The patch only changes a couple of data files. It will not affect your save games.

/Doomie
 
Great! :) Indeed I have made a quite similar 'homegrown' patch myself. Maybe we can 'merge' these sometime?

I also did the following, which You might consider to add to Your version:

- Gave Austria CB shields all over Hungary except Serbia.
- Changed the totally screwed 'Known Provinces' sections for the Khanates to reflect historical situation better. (If You want, I can mail the relevant 'cuts' of the incfile to You.)

Regards, Hartmann
 
In fact, having had a closer look on Your patch, I think I will scrap my own 'patchwork' so far. :( I´ll just add the above mentioned changes of mine to Your patch. Do You want me to send You the result? :)

Hartmann
 
Hartmann, my tireless crusader brother in arms, I would be honoured to (further) enrich the patch with your work. Just e-mail me at doomdark@ludd.luth.se

/Doomie
 
Western Pommerania, Eastern Pommerania, Western Prussia, Eastern Prussia and Danzig are now Brandenburgian core provinces. This was done mainly to encourage growth in the right directions

Hmm growth or no growth, 'AI incentive' or not, I can't support that at all.. :(


Sapura

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Hmm growth or no growth, 'AI incentive' or not, I can't support that at all..
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Well, remember that Poland, somewhat dubiously, has Eastern Pommerania, Kurland, Livonia and Estonia as core provinces. This is not just a matter of nationality, but of Casus Belli and growth direction. Of course, with 1.06 you get rebellions in conquered non-core provinces, so the question we should ask ourselves is if said provinces would be satisfied with Brandenburgian rule.

Lastly, remember that there is nothing to stop a province from being a core province for several nations. (Which is the case here.)

/Doomie
 
With the new nationalism revolt risk attached, the CB shields now have a totally different meaning than before. In fact it´s now more a matter of intended expansion. That´s why I´ve added the Austrian shields to Hungaria (minus Serbia). BEFORE that, with 1.06 Austria tended to go for Posen etc. instead of the Balkans, even when Hungary was eaten up by Turkey. Looked quite weird. It´s better now.
But maybe we could remove the Brandenburg CB shield on Western Prussia again. Indeed I hadn´t included it in my own version, Doomie was more bold, probably thinking of the partitions... ;)
BTW.: Even before the adding of nationalism revolt risk, CB shields didn´t REALLY reflect Casus Belli. E.g. neither Russia nor Turkey in reality had CBs all over those vast areas they got in the game.

Hartmann
 
Nationality is the overriding thing here however, taking provinces away from a country which controlled them during that time, leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't care if its the Poles per say, Swedes, Russians or whoever. However other people would find it an insult .. which is how I think Prince of Pommerania feels. Still each person has the right to edit the files as they want...

I agree with you that those provinces you mentioned WERE NOT core provinces of Poland, HOWEVER, they are there strictly for the A.I, as instructions to defend them from attacks of another computer A.I. We had this discussion before, it was up to Johan and he said they should stay because it was vital for the A.I. These provinces, in reality should neither be Polish core, nor Swedish or Russian at the start of the game.

'so the question we should ask ourselves is if said provinces would be satisfied with Brandenburgian rule'

Well, <sigh> let's not get into this again. Danzig was German, but strongly pro-Polish, even in the later stages of the 18th century. Western Prussia was part of 'Greater Poland', so umm, I dislike your re-arranging of these files quite a lot. One can always posulate 'waas xxx province satisfied with xxx rule', each person can give valid statements. However, the issue of borders is of FINAL standing here.

Sapura

[This message has been edited by Sapura (edited 26-01-2001).]
 
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