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If they rebelled, is it better to have them be a tag thats easily swamped, or to spawn as rebels?
Why don't you go apply some of this logic to the 100 million random fiefs in Europe that are on the map despite having contributed much less to history than chiefdoms like Bozhou did?
 
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Pops of the wrong culture eventually rebel in most paradox games, and so you don't need a tag at game start to represent the pops and their historical rebellion.
Most of the time, there was no rebellion. Chinese dynasties were content to allow their autonomy as long as they paid tribute. This only changed with the promotion of Gaitu Guiliu. Additionally, many Tusi regimes were highly sinicized, with some Tusi rulers tracing their origins back to Chinese migrants.
 
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The Chiefdom of Bozhou was established in 876 during the Tang Dynasty and annexed by the Ming in 1600, with a history spanning over 700 years. It was its own state, regardless of how the ruling Chinese dynasties changed. What do you mean by "the wrong culture"?
So have Bozhou in, but probably not the thousands of others that some people want. Wrong culture as in not the same as the primary culture of the country thats meant to rule the area. Wrong culture wrong religion land is a quick way of saying non accepted culture heretic faith province
 
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So have Bozhou in, but probably not the thousands of others that some people want. Wrong culture as in not the same as the primary culture of the country thats meant to rule the area. Wrong culture wrong religion land is a quick way of saying non accepted culture heretic faith province
The persistence of Tusi regimes was shaped more by geographical constraints than by cultural differences. The mountainous terrain of southwestern regions such as Guizhou, Yunnan, and Sichuan made centralized governance and transportation exceptionally difficult prior to modern infrastructure. A similar pattern can be seen in Tibet and other parts of Southeast Asia. For example, historically, the Tibetan government exercised effective control only over areas surrounding Lhasa, while other Tibetan regions, despite sharing the same culture, were governed by local Tusi rulers.
 
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The persistence of Tusi regimes was shaped more by geographical constraints than by cultural differences. The mountainous terrain of southwestern regions such as Guizhou, Yunnan, and Sichuan made centralized governance and transportation exceptionally difficult prior to modern infrastructure. A similar pattern can be seen in Tibet and other parts of Southeast Asia. For example, historically, the Tibetan government exercised effective control only over areas surrounding Lhasa, while other Tibetan regions, despite sharing the same culture, were governed by local Tusi rulers.
One hopes the Control system is balanced such that some regions of the world remain almost impossible to get decent control without devolving power to local subjects like this
 
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The persistence of Tusi regimes was shaped more by geographical constraints than by cultural differences. The mountainous terrain of southwestern regions such as Guizhou, Yunnan, and Sichuan made centralized governance and transportation exceptionally difficult prior to modern infrastructure. A similar pattern can be seen in Tibet and other parts of Southeast Asia. For example, historically, the Tibetan government exercised effective control only over areas surrounding Lhasa, while other Tibetan regions, despite sharing the same culture, were governed by local Tusi rulers.
Mountains are going to have lowered control innately no?
One hopes the Control system is balanced such that some regions of the world remain almost impossible to get decent control without devolving power to local subjects like this
RoI will probably have the player leave the provinces as vassals, but we'll see what the ai does, maybe itll be liked when gov capacity got added and the ai ming kept releasing a tag to be under
 
Mountains are going to have lowered control innately no?

RoI will probably have the player leave the provinces as vassals, but we'll see what the ai does, maybe itll be liked when gov capacity got added and the ai ming kept releasing a tag to be under
Yes, but it is still not a valid argument for removing the Southwestern Tusi regimes while keeping other small tags in Europe and elsewhere. If you want more or less abstraction, then apply it consistently rather than implementing it selectively.