New Aussie rules - Semi historical 1936 start

[mike8472]

Originally Posted by Mighty G
Then just set a base war dates as something simple and open ended and remove all movement restrictions on CW.

UK - Danzig Event.
Ger - Danzig Event.
Ita - Winter 1939-1940
Jap - Spring 1940
USA - Winter 1941-42
USSR - Winter 1941-42

Now id like to assume a few points of logic.

1. There is a time and place for japs V USSR and it is khalkin Ghol?sp?

2. Italy enters when it chooses, should it join early we all know they need
german help.

3. Japs should be able to Dow when they see fit. Should they choose belligerencey with the USSR it would be first voiced at khalkin ghol.

4.USA and USSR should be held back Winter 41 is acceptable.

5. Lets assume as always our rules are guidlines and if Germany was to perform a sealion and make a significant landing US would join early, same said if the USSR was attacked early and was on the bring of utterdefeat loosing there footing in 2 of there 3 main fronts.

USA should not be allowed to DOW japan unless the Japs have DOW Russia in a second war (not Khalkin Ghol and at the earliest there base date of Spring 1940).

We cant expect Axis to have a good go unless the big boys are pinned back but we must also be sure UK/USSR dont get caught in lame 3v1 early gangbangs.

Some solid Back channel Chat, NAP's and Diplomacy should fill the gaps. This would also force players to discuss matters of state early on. Japs and USSR avoiding early war, yanks giving japs materials for not punishing uk in 1940, Italy joining Germany early and pursuing total conquest of France.

This will force the USSR to maintain its army, and UK shouldnt loose face. IF UK is smart they could shift Aussies and NZ troops to Pacfic as a show of force considering there infantry are relatively useless in Africa. But for beach staff.

These are all good sugestions.

I think the fixed dated for Italian war entry be removed and allow Italy to join the war from Winter of 39, which is december 1939. This still allows the UK to focus on stoping the Germans in the good fighting weather without being gangbanged. But also forces them to think about the defence of africa and middle east as Italy may join soon. Prevents the UK from putting every division on the planet into France.

Losening Japans war entry vs both the USSR and Allies is also a good idea. At present the Allies and USSR know exactly when Japan may join the war. This should not be the case.

I do disagree that Japan should show its hand early in the border skirmishes, only if it wishes to test the USSR out if it see's it build IC, it may well take half the USSR early and do massive damage which the Germans will only need to mop up.

Japan shoul be allowd to join the war vs the allies at any time they chose after June 1940. This forces the allies to actualy defend asia with some forces insteal of the normal every division into France or Africa. As G said Australian/NZ inf not much good vs German tanks.

The restriction of no Soviet Japanes war is lunacy until 1943. There should be a real chance for a Soviet/Japanese war. It should be up to Japan which way they want to go, north or south that was the historical choice faced by Japan.

This would help make our games alot more free flowing and open up suprise attacks more by Japan and Italy as they historicaly did. This is what we are trying to achieve some semi historical outcomes to a certain point. Italy and Japan needs this freedom to face the same historical problems that faced them in real life. Not be resticted by fixed DOW dates which do nothing to balance the game except allow certain nations to mass every division they have in certain areas at certain times as they know exactly when there enemy will DOW them. Totaly unrealistic.

What do others think.

Im all for G's Ideas.

 

[unmerged(74599)]

Sure its was the historical choice taken by Japan. However the situation is not historical.

 

[unmerged(62373)]

Sure its was the historical choice taken by Japan. However the situation is not historical.

Take away set dates and were going to have some huge "how did you know I had nothing there! flames" I can feel it in my bones........................

 

[unmerged(64512)]

These are all good sugestions.

I think the fixed dated for Italian war entry be removed and allow Italy to join the war from Winter of 39, which is december 1939. This still allows the UK to focus on stoping the Germans in the good fighting weather without being gangbanged. But also forces them to think about the defence of africa and middle east as Italy may join soon. Prevents the UK from putting every division on the planet into France.

Losening Japans war entry vs both the USSR and Allies is also a good idea. At present the Allies and USSR know exactly when Japan may join the war. This should not be the case.

I do disagree that Japan should show its hand early in the border skirmishes, only if it wishes to test the USSR out if it see's it build IC, it may well take half the USSR early and do massive damage which the Germans will only need to mop up.

Japan shoul be allowd to join the war vs the allies at any time they chose after June 1940. This forces the allies to actualy defend asia with some forces insteal of the normal every division into France or Africa. As G said Australian/NZ inf not much good vs German tanks.

The restriction of no Soviet Japanes war is lunacy until 1943. There should be a real chance for a Soviet/Japanese war. It should be up to Japan which way they want to go, north or south that was the historical choice faced by Japan.

This would help make our games alot more free flowing and open up suprise attacks more by Japan and Italy as they historicaly did. This is what we are trying to achieve some semi historical outcomes to a certain point. Italy and Japan needs this freedom to face the same historical problems that faced them in real life. Not be resticted by fixed DOW dates which do nothing to balance the game except allow certain nations to mass every division they have in certain areas at certain times as they know exactly when there enemy will DOW them. Totaly unrealistic.

What do others think.

Im all for G's Ideas.

There's nothing new in those ideas, it's what we have in our rules which are inferior

- Italy can join anytime after ethiopia, means italy it completly free in his choices, most players jump in axis right after ethiopy but it hapenned some others wait for a key date to join and surprise the allies. I consider that joining axis in 36 is a tradeoff blueprints for initiative.Player choice.

- japan can dow at anytime after Vichy, here again Japan has freedom to choose his wardate and make a suprising attack or go for historical dow.

-japan has the right to dow USSR if it achieve his war goals which are basically burma & India or pacific islands & australia.

 

[mike8472]

There's nothing new in those ideas, it's what we have in our rules which are inferior

Anything from you is always inferior, goes without saying.

- Italy can join anytime after ethiopia, means italy it completly free in his choices, most players jump in axis right after ethiopy but it hapenned some others wait for a key date to join and surprise the allies. I consider that joining axis in 36 is a tradeoff blueprints for initiative.Player choice.

Although this does give italy freedom in choice, It makes them unrealisticly strong and not fair on the UK. Oh my god did I just say some thing in favor of the allies. :rofl:

I think a later date for Italy is more realistic like end of 39 or very early 1940, like Jan 1st. Prevents UK being gangbanged. Although you might be able to handle such a situation alot of players cannot and moan about. Aka Major ball.

- japan can dow at anytime after Vichy, here again Japan has freedom to choose his wardate and make a suprising attack or go for historical dow.

This is a good idea. Axis need to balance early suprise with early US entry along time prior to the Ger/USSR war. It does give freedom of choice and suprise to Japan.

-japan has the right to dow USSR if it achieve his war goals which are basically burma & India or pacific islands & australia.

So after Japan conqers these areas it can DOW the USSR. Is that right? If so might be a good compromise. Maybe if you link Japanese war entry to say India falling, it could then DOW the USSR anytime it choose.

Thats a good trigger, forces allies to defend india and fight for it, instead of most games giving it away, opens up Japan to DOW USSR but after certain victories.

Good way to keep allies and USSR on there toes, creates unpredicatabilty as well which is always good in our games.

 

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Anything from you is always inferior, goes without saying.

Coming from you that's a surprising comment. :rofl:

So after Japan conqers these areas it can DOW the USSR. Is that right? If so might be a good compromise. Maybe if you link Japanese war entry to say India falling, it could then DOW the USSR anytime it choose.

Thats a good trigger, forces allies to defend india and fight for it, instead of most games giving it away, opens up Japan to DOW USSR but after certain victories.

Good way to keep allies and USSR on there toes, creates unpredicatabilty as well which is always good in our games.

Yes, in our games it's not frequent to see uk leaving all pacific empty to hit on europe only cuz uk player know if japan achieve one of his war goals it has the right to mass troops on soviet border and dow him.

 

[unmerged(62373)]

Thats a good trigger, forces allies to defend india and fight for it, instead of most games giving it away, opens up Japan to DOW USSR but after certain victories.

Good way to keep allies and USSR on there toes, creates unpredicatabilty as well which is always good in our games.

Cuts both ways though. If stalin conquers Germany early he should be able to DOW Japs, he did after all do that.

 

[mike8472]

Cuts both ways though. If stalin conquers Germany early he should be able to DOW Japs, he did after all do that.

Goes without saying. USSR should be able to DOW Japan if the conquer Germany early, thats just common sense.