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WOW!!!:eek: :eek:

i think i found the terrible bug that was hanging my PC!!!!

there was an event that uses a trigger condition like this:
trigger = {
minister = X
}


i changed that and a new game passed that date without a problem...
i also modded the bug reported by Steel, so, good news if i can finish this game.... ;)

i will finish the game tomorrow because i am totally tired now... i need some sleep (current hour here 0:05) ... i had to check event by event, condition by condition to find that... :eek:


NOTE: i report this BUG here, so everyone knows an AVOID using the minister trigger ;)
 
Thanks Steel, great customer support I must say, almost as good as Paradox:p :D

I will continue tonight, 'cause I'm all fired up to lead Germany to an unlikely victory..............

You guys in CORE are doing a hell of a job, the creation of Egypt seems to really work in defending NA, the brits now focus on Mussolini's little eastern Africa empire and have in my game already taken it all.

My question is, did so many Egytian divisions fight on the UK's side, 'cause i've seen these guys having some 12 divisions now, they might be militia, haven't checked that yet, but it seems a bit much.......?

Thanks anyway, I am having a happy day looking at the clock in the office and will probably decide to leave early......(don't tell my boss........:p )
 
Happy to help :)

Regarding Egypt - in your game, IIRC it's mostly infantry and a few militia. They also have a decent-size fighter airforce and (before my edit) a small navy. My initial reaction was that they seemed too strong (well ahead of some European countries) and also that the Egypt AI puts too much IC into building transports. I'm not an expert on the region though so perhaps OHGamer can comment on possible tweaks, one fix would be to reduce starting manpower and gradually add it back through events.

Does anybody know if the AI will put more IC into R&D if they don't have manpower for unit build?
 
Originally posted by hendriks
Thanks Steel, great customer support I must say, almost as good as Paradox:p :D

I will continue tonight, 'cause I'm all fired up to lead Germany to an unlikely victory..............

You guys in CORE are doing a hell of a job, the creation of Egypt seems to really work in defending NA, the brits now focus on Mussolini's little eastern Africa empire and have in my game already taken it all.

My question is, did so many Egytian divisions fight on the UK's side, 'cause i've seen these guys having some 12 divisions now, they might be militia, haven't checked that yet, but it seems a bit much.......?

Thanks anyway, I am having a happy day looking at the clock in the office and will probably decide to leave early......(don't tell my boss........:p )

I sent Generalissimo a revision to the event that gets Egypt into the war - the Abdin Palace Coup event triggered too soon in the first version, in 1.02 (or .02 or .2 or whatever number we call it :D) it will trigger only when ITA controls Matruh AND GER controls Athens, so it shoud cut down on the mighty soldiers of the Nile kicking the Italians out of Libya within 4 months. In the real war Egypt had lots of divisions but remained neutral during the entire conflict, mainly because the British felt the Egyptians were too pro-Axis to be trusted in battle.
 
Beta CORE 0.1Beta comments:

Here are a few things I can remember off the top of my head from playing CORE 0.1beta for the first time:

Player Country: USA

1) USA seem to be able to advance VERY quickly with Technology. For example, by Early ~1940 I had almost maxed out Infantry Tech, Had Heavy Tank Tech and Improved Warships with most Early Doctrines in all trees. The only thing I did not develop much were Rockets and Nuclear Tech.
I was also able to retro fit most of my Fleet to Improved Warship while building a ~30 or so Divisions with Brigades (mostly NonInfantry footmen).

2) Being able to actually Declare War was a different story though. I was as I said in ~1940 and watched Europe be over run by Germany and Italy. Soon after a Message pop (trying to remember) about Wanting to Declare War on Germany or Let them fight it out. I Thought I had choosen to Declare War but Instead It put me as like 92% wanting to go to War. Because of this I was now watching Germany Invade the UK and could do nothing about it!
I believe a trigger should be added to allow the US to beable to declare War if the UK Mainland is Invaded. Yes? No?

3) Shortly after this I was repositioning some of my Medium Subs around Hawaii and the Game crash...UGH! :( No idea why and the last time I saved was in early 1938. I will keep better notes next time and save often.

4) The Installation for 0.1Beta. I noticed that when selecting the USA and then clicking on the Ministers (the Flag) that every Minister was from Italy except for the Head of State which was the US President...YIKES! I corrected this by copying the Misisters_USA.csv file into the Misister_U01.csv file and replaced USA in the first cell with U01. Italy was like this for every starting country...what gives??

5) Italy and the Ethiopian Freedom Fighters event seem to happen 3 times in a row until Italy left them alone. This suppose to be this way?

other that those issues....What has been added so far from what I have seen, has been great!

Going to try again tonight to see once again if the USA crashes and where and take better notes. I am interested to see if Japan will attack the US in 1941 or not. In the Standard version 1936 to 1948 game they did not and the game ended with Germany being wiped by the US and the USSR in Europe. Japan just sit there. Kind of unrealistic considering what kind of events were unfolding at the time between them and the US (i.e. Oil embargo, etc..)

More feedback to come! :)

---Indiana
 
I think issues 4 and 5 are well known and will be fixed in next version. Number 3 is hard to comment on without more info, it sometimes helps if you capture the last 30 days worth of the history.txt file so we can see what was happening at the time. An autosave from just before the crash is ideal of course :D

I'm not greatly familiar with the USA or playing democracies ;) so I will leave issue 1 and 2 for others to comment on.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
Originally posted by Indiana
1) USA seem to be able to advance VERY quickly with Technology. For example, by Early ~1940 I had almost maxed out Infantry Tech, Had Heavy Tank Tech and Improved Warships with most Early Doctrines in all trees. The only thing I did not develop much were Rockets and Nuclear Tech.


0.1 is not very oriented on USA play but since 0.2 it should change. Also new tech tree should stop a bit rapid development. For now, I've tested this on AI's and in 1941 USA was able to build only mutiturreted tanks, so I presume human would be able to reach Shermans level... I would keep that in mind, thanks for feedback.

Originally posted by Indiana

2)I believe a trigger should be added to allow the US to beable to declare War if the UK Mainland is Invaded. Yes? No?


Yes, we corrected that in next version of CORE - in our defence I could only say that this event was part of "Bolted events pack", not our own. Nevertheless, now it triggers only if USA is ready to join war (warentry = 100).
 
Going to try again tonight to see once again if the USA crashes and where and take better notes. I am interested to see if Japan will attack the US in 1941 or not. In the Standard version 1936 to 1948 game they did not and the game ended with Germany being wiped by the US and the USSR in Europe. Japan just sit there. Kind of unrealistic considering what kind of events were unfolding at the time between them and the US (i.e. Oil embargo, etc..)


Hi Indiana,
I can respond to that because in my current CORE game as Germany, Japan has declared war on the US, April 1942.
US has not joined the Allies (yet) and I have played on one month more. What happened in that month is that Japan also declared war on the Philipines, they are however NOT at war with Nat.China, but are with comm.China.
I wonder, as Germany, if I have to declare war on them myself, but I have run into a lot of problems "liberating" Roemania from the USSR (Roemania didn't cave in to the USSR demands of handing over Bessarabia and hence got themselves annexed in a war with mighty mother Russia), I have liberated it and reached my goal of driving them out of the Balcan in 1941 and am now contemplating driving up to the South, but it's tight, no more manpower and the Russians look strong, many divisions and T34's.:(

-Good challenge, but if the US joines the Allies, I am in BIG SHIT and will already probably loose now, but with US there CERTAINLY.
(O, well, it's good to have a good game going when you are waiting for CORE 0.2 and the p****:p )

-hendriks
 
USA Game

I finally got my war! Japan declared war on me (which automatically made me a member of the allies) in April of 42 as well. So I went and took over Argentina (they were one of the axis and easy to get to). They had no troops in the country, just a couple of air units. The hardest part was getting units into the mountains to control the territory. My Guam Defence Force is marching up the Marianas (don't know if I agree with the way that works, but it does, so what the heck, use it) and I have four corps working to pacify the home islands of Japan. Why they declared war on me is a mystery. They had lost all of their mainland holdings to Nationalist China and the Soviet Union, and had very few troops to defend the home islands. Not exactly the best time to declare war on a country with a large military and navy looking for an excuse to go to war. I have liked the CORE campaign so far, and look forward to the next version(s). MDow
 
USA Update play:

Got a bit further this time last night and was trying to save about every 3 to 4 months or so. I end up crashing right around Dec 1941 so I have to go back and look right before there to see what happen. Will post later on that if it happens again.

What I noticed....

1) The USA still had a hard time getting in the War but it looks as though this is being addressed.
Bit of Back gorund to events though. The Main Axis powers were Germany, Itlay and Nationalist Spain (go figure). I guess they didn't like it when I tried to do a 'Coup'. They seem to join the Axis soon after. Germany Had start (~1940) to envade the UK part of Ireland but suddenly there was a 4 way war in Eastern Europe between the Axis and Russia, Russia and Finland, Allies vs Axis and one other I think...I was sitting as the US on the side line :p
The Axis seem to have control at first moving in to Russia just a bit (Weird how the Cechs were never taken over by Germany...can't figure that one out). Russia soon after got the upper hand and just started rolling over the Axis. Once Berlin fell, the Allies started there assault in Western Europe. Soon the USSR worked it's way down to Spain and started on them. In the Mean time the USA possibility to enter the War Drop Dramactically! To around 20% roughly. The USSR were not allies with the Allies so it was interestnig to see what was happening to France. USSR wasn't exatly Liberating it. It will be interesting to see if the USA allows the USSR to control ALL of Europe except the UK....YIKES! Perhaps there should be a trigger for the US to Decalre War on the USSR if France and/or Poland is not given their terrority back Comments??

2) Japan........ACK! They were doing ok for a while but got into a bloody battle with Nat/Com China...Stalemate. Then Nat China just over power Japan and forced them back into the sea. I dont see how Japan will ever want to decalre War on the USA is they have this kind of problem with China plus they build too many Calv and Inf Divison and from what I saw...no Armor, Mech etc.. Divs So is Japan too Weak??
If they attack the USA in 1942, heck I have Advanced Warships at this point...they would be toast quick.

3) Mexico....I can't figure them out at all. They put several combinations of 2 to 4 Inf and various Figher Sq along the USA border. I see their % wanting to "Go to War" go up and even hit 100% but go to War with who? Plus they never seem to declare War even at 100% support. Given they are neutral and between Demo and Comm Government types. Is it possible they could get USSR backing and (gasp!) form an Alliance between the USSR and Mexico and invade the USA? What about the THE MONROE DOCTRINE then? or if Mexico is influenced enough to shift them more toward Demo Gov that they will Join the Allies if needed? Anyone have Comments how how Mexico fits in or can???

4) Any word as to when CORE Beta 0.2 will be ready to test? :)


Keep up the Great work guys!! I will keep posting comments as I can and will keep looking to gather more details.

Going to try France, Poland or Japan next unless someone else wants comments on a different country. :)

---Indiana
 
Originally posted by Indiana
The USSR were not allies with the Allies so it was interestnig to see what was happening to France. USSR wasn't exatly Liberating it. It will be interesting to see if the USA allows the USSR to control ALL of Europe except the UK....YIKES! Perhaps there should be a trigger for the US to Decalre War on the USSR if France and/or Poland is not given their terrority back Comments??

We are aware of the problem - in 0.2 there should be at least some events raising Allies warentry when Reds "liberate" Western Europe.

And about Chechoslovakia - there is probably need for slight German AI correction - when they go for war, they should have chechoslovakia added to the prefered enemies list.

Generalissimo, could you take care of that?
 
Originally posted by Copper Nicus
We are aware of the problem - in 0.2 there should be at least some events raising Allies warentry when Reds "liberate" Western Europe.

And about Chechoslovakia - there is probably need for slight German AI correction - when they go for war, they should have chechoslovakia added to the prefered enemies list.

Generalissimo, could you take care of that?
you mean that, when the Sudetenland crisis happens, and Germany choose the wrong options, we should make Germany invade Chechoslovakia?.... but when? after some time? before attacking Poland? after attacking Poland?...:confused:

the event will be easy, Hitler mad about the situation, decide to invade Chechoslovakia because of the imposibility to get to a diplomatic solution to the matter... of course, the allies will declare war against Germany... :rolleyes:
 
No, I was thinking about simple change in German AI - CZE could be added to the list of prefered enemies in AI's (german_pre_barbarossa, german_pre_bof and so on). It's much simplier. So - after conquest of Poland Czechoslovakia could be invaded (it would be mistake to attack earlier - their fortresses in Sudeten would halt German advance for years).
Player could attack Chechoslovakia anyway - let's concentrate on AI.
 
The event that forces Italy into a war made me pretty mad. I was purposely playing neutral and had to end my game becuase of it.
 
finished.......

Hi all,

I finished my first CORE Germany game, and it came out as a big surprise!

You can read my part 1 and 2, I mainly document this for the CORE designers. (after the problem with the port in Egypt, I was able to continue, thanks to Steel!)

From 1942 to 1944.....(VH/A)

It seemed that with Roemania liberated (occupied by Germany) from the USSR, Germany had overstreched itself. There were much more USSR divisions everywhere, Rommel had been running over NA but saw his whole corps destroyed in the waistelands of Libanon, and with 5 Australian divisions cutting of supplies, they were lost!
Things looked gloomy. Japan had declared war on the US and Phillipines, but the US was not in the allied alliance, luckily, neither did they ever declare war on the US, and Germany was doing bad enough as it was........
Anyway, it was decided that with 0 manpower left, all panzer divisions would focus on the economical prizes in the south of russia, not that Germany needed the goods, even without improved coal to oil plants.....(I think it should be MUCH more difficult for Germany to maintain production and run some 22 panzerdivisions + Uboats etc without oil resources..)
The south was attacked and it proved a long and hard battle with a complete surrounding of 41 divisions at Kiev and 40 at Lvov (they had attacked me, I let them take Lvov and surrounded them in the process, stupid AI move....)
After taking more provinces in the south, the Ukraine asked me to become a loyal ally to the axis if I would give them freedom, I gave them freedom, things were still bad then, but looking up.
Ukraine was formed, we decided to send all goods they asked for, so the Ukrainian economy could get started.
The road was clear to the caucasus and in the autumn we arrived at Baku! Because we left from the ukraine, ALL territory we took in Russia became Ukrainian, this is a bit strange, but I didn't need it anyway, no manpower!
When we reached Baku, I suddenly saw that I had been so wrapped up in conquest, that I had forgotten all diplomacy!
I tried a novelty, Germany needed allies! Within weeks, Persia, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, Siam, Portugal, Tibet, Argentinia, Brazil and much later Spain joined the Axis, this is a bit unrealistic, because of this I won the war, Russia started to redeploy a lot of armies to defend her whole border in asia, Persia annexed Iraq and Siam and Tibet and Afganistan went wild in India, occupying the lot! Brazil even landed in New Zealand and it annexed France!
In the summer of 1943, (Japan and US seem to be doing nothing, Japan has 50% of the Phillipines) I decided to break to the north, Finland had been annexed by the USSR and I wanted to encircle Russian divisions to make it's count less scary!
I powerattacked Vitebsk, broke through and could drive unopposed to Leningrad, encircling close to 70 divisions in the Baltics. That summer my tanks drove through empty Finland, in October I took Moscow thanks to the flanking help of 13 Ukrainian militia and 6 regular Ukrainian infantry divisions!
That month also saw the fall of Stalingrad, I had attacked it the previous late autumn, but failed miserably and the tanks were needed north.
I gave Rommel (he wasn't captured in iraq after all) the order to drive to Irkutsk, that would take 4 months, but half way, Stalin offered bitter peace and the b..... of course declared war again after 1 week!! It didn't matter.
I gave von rundstedt orders to arrive in the west and start planning an early spring 1944 attack on the UK mainland....only to find out that Italy had gotten a 1 div. foothold 1 day before!
now, all of the UK went to Italy, and I even supplied myself, but if you move from a territory of somebody else, SIGH, that really needs fixing!
I annexed the UK for Italy (heck, I did all the work, beating that 1 mech and 1 reg. infantry div. Lots of fighters though, they made a hell of a prize! No navy in sight, one little fishing boat attacked, I think the UK had serious goods problems after the collapse of most of it's dominions! Portugal had annexed south Africa and had taken most African holdings. Brazil was busy in Asia Pacific, maybe the Royal Navy was there?

After that, I decided to stop, 731 points to the Axis, 17 to allies and 19 to Comintern, and I really thought that I would loose big time.

Now, what have we learned; (not this CORE, most is 1.03b HOI);

-some countries allign much to easily to the Axis, you don't even have to influence them, and Afganistan had 100% communist allignment, but they joined me without questions, same with all the rest I named, only Spain needed influencing.

-The russian AI did 2 or 3 big attacks in 3 years, 3 summers of campaigning, and I think they had possibilities, they just kept moving up and down and up and down along the front from Asia to Finland

-I like the Ukraine independance event, but they seem to pump out a lot of troops, 20 divisions, although a lot militia, really helped to fool the USSR, and why would you not select it, heck, it would have given me a 15 point hit in dissent had I said no, I think it should be more complex then that, easier to NOT pick it.

-The Baltics supported, after I liberated them, Germany in manpower, but don't you think a total of, what, 250MP is a bit too much...? (thanks though, now I could commision 15 tiger tank divisions)

-Japan never declared war on nat.china, maybe the trigger for this event is broken?

-US didn't become part of the allies after Japan declared war, they really should, I might have lost then........(nobody playing Germany is going to declare war themselves, what about an event after japan declares war, if germany doesn't declare war on the US, a selection of Axis members will walk and including a big dissent hit?) OR making Japan a real axis ally when Germany declares war, or both? Hitler thought that the 3 power pact of November 1940 would be politically dead if Italy and Germany did not declare war on the US, and he thought Japan might deploy against the USSR, we need reasons, like a big event that has in each choice advantages and disadvanteges.

-The resources are a shambles, Germany struggled with it's economy all the time, oil was THE problem, a main reason Hitler decided to attack russia, I had 99999 coal/99999 steel. I think Germany starts out with FAR too much resources in 1936...

-I think part of the UK fleet was trapped in the baltic when I annexed Denmark/Norway, can't they leave it? I like it that only subs can go through to the baltic sea and the med when your enemy is in control of the land around it, but Bulgaria lend me her tranports to put Rommel in NA and the could go through the Bosporus...?? Because of the fleet there, my subs were virtually unopposed and I could invade the UK and upon leaving the port of Danzig, I stumbled on a UK fleet without any org and really weak, but it went to fast to see if it was a big fleet.....


All in all I enjoyed myself and look forward to 0.2 and the new events, please try to solve the US-no-ally thing...(I can try to write an event, but I wouldn't know where to start...)

Thanks CORE.

/hendriks
 
CORE Beta 0.1 Testing Update:

Player: Japan
Diff: Hardest
AI Diff: Furious

Well I started playing Japan because the USA become too unplayable do to the Crashing to Desktop when I hit Mid 1941. The USA seems to do this all the time at about this time and not the exactly at same date. I can't tell if this is caused by an event or something I am doing. I will provide a History log if anyone will think it would help.

1) Japan Error:
July 21st 1936 - Database miss match error
This error will lock my system if I am playing it at too great a speed but it doesn't at slower speeds.
I could tell the error must have been from a 'Pop Up' because of the Pop Up ding that sounded at the same time as the error. If I hit "try again' in the error box, the PC would lock up. If I hit "Ignore" then the error went away and the following messages appeared and I was able to continue:
1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : Italy had Ethiopian Freedom Fighters .
1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : The people of Ethiopia declared independence from Italy.
1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : Ethiopia had Ethiopian Revolt .
1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : Ethiopia declared war upon Italy.


Here is the entire Sting before the problem:
1936-06-00 : 3:00 July 1, 1936 : Romania went with Support the German Economy in Romanian Oil Shipments to Germany.


1936-06-00 : 3:00 July 1, 1936 : Germany had Romania Ships Oil To Germany .


1936-06-02 : 3:00 July 3, 1936 : Netherlands have been hardly influenced by New Zealand.


1936-06-02 : 3:00 July 3, 1936 : Bolivia have been hardly influenced by USA.


1936-06-02 : 3:00 July 3, 1936 : Uruguay have been hardly influenced by Republican Spain.


1936-06-02 : 3:00 July 3, 1936 : Austria have been barely influenced by Italy.


1936-06-03 : 3:00 July 4, 1936 : Bolivia have been hardly influenced by Argentina.


1936-06-04 : 3:00 July 5, 1936 : Yugoslavia have been successfully influenced by Hungary.


1936-06-04 : 3:00 July 5, 1936 : Portugal have been hardly influenced by Brazil.


1936-06-04 : 3:00 July 5, 1936 : USA have been hardly influenced by Mexico.


1936-06-04 : 3:00 July 5, 1936 : Netherlands have been hardly influenced by Australia.


1936-06-04 : 3:00 July 5, 1936 : Italy went with Annex Ethiopia (annexation) in Creation of a Ethiopian Vassal.


1936-06-04 : 3:00 July 5, 1936 : Italy annexed Ethiopia.


1936-06-04 : 3:00 July 5, 1936 : Denmark have been influenced by France.


1936-06-10 : 3:00 July 11, 1936 : Austria have been successfully influenced by Germany.


1936-06-11 : 3:00 July 12, 1936 : Persia have been hardly influenced by Soviet Union.


1936-06-17 : 0:00 July 18, 1936 : Republican Spain had Spanish Civil War .


1936-06-17 : 0:00 July 18, 1936 : The people of Nationalist Spain declared independence from Republican Spain.


1936-06-17 : 0:00 July 18, 1936 : Republican Spain declared war upon Nationalist Spain.


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Nationalist Spain had Spanish Civil War - Fascist Nation .


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Germany went with Franco needs no aid in Spanish Civil War - Intervention.


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Soviet Union went with Send materiel and volunteers in Spanish Civil War - Intervention.


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : France went with Send materiel and volunteers in Spanish Civil War - Intervention.


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Italy went with Send materiel and volunteers in Spanish Civil War - Intervention.


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : United Kingdom went with Why support anarchist rabble? in Spanish Civil War - Intervention.


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Republican Spain had The Civil war starts!. .


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Republican Spain had Spanish Civil War - Soviet Intervention .


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : USA had Spanish Civil War - Soviet Intervention .


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Republican Spain had Spanish Civil War - French Intervention .


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : USA had Spanish Civil War - French Intervention .


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : Nationalist Spain had Spanish Civil War - Italian Intervention .


1936-06-18 : 0:00 July 19, 1936 : USA had Spanish Civil War - Italian Intervention .


1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : Italy had Ethiopian Freedom Fighters .


1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : The people of Ethiopia declared independence from Italy.


1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : Ethiopia had Ethiopian Revolt .


1936-06-20 : 3:00 July 21, 1936 : Ethiopia declared war upon Italy.



2) Japan --- Play observation thus far (currently Early 1940)
Japan can not declare War on anyone STILL! I am at roughly 79% DOW. I 'should' be well into War with Nationalist China by now. If I can't Declare War until 1941 (seems to be going that way) then the there is NO Way I will declare War on the USA if I had not at LEAST taken most of China first...but I can't even do that yet :(
Is this normal? I think this should be modified to allow Japan to Declare War MUCH earlier. At least on China.


All for now....Back later with more :)

---Indiana
 
Hi Indiana,

I experienced the same in my German CORE, the game just froze over, and in summer 1936 as well, it is def. related to the Etheopian freedom fighters event.
In my game, Italy annexed, the freedom fighters came, declared war, Italy annexed again after a short war of about 4 weeks and it all happened again, but this time, Italy left them alone and they remained neutral all through to the games end.

Simular on Japan as well, Japan was NEVER at war with Nat.China, it seems that the trigger for this is missing. It did declare war on Com.China, but with them only having 2 provinces, they couldn't get to it.
Later, in several seperate events, some provinces get taken over by the commies, these were in reach of the Japs and they took them 1 by 1, because I am sure they were militarily empty....

/hendriks