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We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
It is. Why not remove it as a feature, instead of making it an infraction?
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Is the ban on calling for boycotts new? It seems rather out of place.
Would, for example, "This new expansion is awful, no one should buy it." Be a bannable post now?
Would, for example, "This new expansion is awful, no one should buy it." Be a bannable post now?
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Maybe I'm just not up with what all "the kids" are doing these days having lurked and posted on these forums for the past 20 years or so, but why are there such restrictions on sigs? Were ASCII images a major problem? They've been around since the old listserv days in the 90s.
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I would like to see how much it differs from the previous version, to see how much actually changed, but from reading this new version, it seems to be excessively authoritarian, under the guise of being careful. Non-expiring minor infractions? A hard ban on a bunch of tangential topics? What happened to the possibility of just politely asking people to take it to OT, rather than tagging them with a permanent "Minor Infraction" on their accounts with hundreds or thousands of posts and liked/agreed-with messages because of something that a moderator saw as too tangential to be part of a discussion within a certain game's forum?
I'm also intrigued by this. I understand the want for a place in which the staff can come to and still feel comfortable, but if a large portion of the playerbase is discontent with a recent update, shouldn't they be able to, if not encouraged to, voice their discontent, and advise others on this platform to avoid said content until it is fixed?
Hope these inquires are not stepping over any lines, and don't count as talking back to moderators, but please reconsider the harshness of some of these new rules.
I'm also intrigued by this. I understand the want for a place in which the staff can come to and still feel comfortable, but if a large portion of the playerbase is discontent with a recent update, shouldn't they be able to, if not encouraged to, voice their discontent, and advise others on this platform to avoid said content until it is fixed?
Hope these inquires are not stepping over any lines, and don't count as talking back to moderators, but please reconsider the harshness of some of these new rules.
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As I understand it we are already breaking these rules by discussing it if I understand it correctly according to these:
- Discussion of Warnings & Bans
- Discussion of Moderation
- Do not comment on moderation decisions publicly.
I would expect such threads would break these rules if I understand it correctly:
- Ranting
- Do not call for boycotts and create petitions.
- Do not post inflammatory messages with the perceived intent to rile people up (no trolling).
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I feel the same way. I understand that PDX employees should always feel encouraged to come here and not be bombarded with negativity, but these new rules leave enough room for us to be punished for basically anything. I don't want to post and expose my true opinion here if it's a constant battle between being honest and stepping on eggshells.
Were the previous rules not sufficient for a healthy community? I was mostly active on the I:R and Stellaris forums, but I've never seen offensive behavior go unpunished for long over on those places.
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That ban is on discussing those things when they have been issued to someone. We're not banning discussion of them as a concept! Especially not in this thread.
In short, no. In particular personal criticisms of developers both within Paradox and our partners, reached a level of toxicity that made them increasingly reluctant to show up on the forums at all. Then of course we get complaints about lack of communication from the developers ... !
That said, these rules are not very different from the previous ones; the infraction/enforcement system is though.
My personal take on this: OT is, by definition, not about any specific game and as such _is_ the game. We are safe
If the rule was enforced like written they could just delete OT and be done with it. And I pretty much doubt that this is the intention
/edit: That being said, many of the rules are clearly written with only the game forums in mind. I think it would be best to update the COC or the OT rules in a way to clarify all these concerns...
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1) No, it does not. But we want to discourage spammish comments like "first".
2) Of course not, this is only regarding the forum. Even if you get banned on the forum, you will still have access to your games.
Why are communist symbols and glorification of stalinism etc. not included?
In general though, while i can go along with taking a step against being overly toxic towards the devs, i am very concerned these rules could be laid out in a very authoritarian way and we'd need to constantly walk on eggshels. I hope this is not the case but the experience from how other forums went down after "significant changes to their ToS" does not bode well.
In general though, while i can go along with taking a step against being overly toxic towards the devs, i am very concerned these rules could be laid out in a very authoritarian way and we'd need to constantly walk on eggshels. I hope this is not the case but the experience from how other forums went down after "significant changes to their ToS" does not bode well.
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TBH, with those new rules there isn't much sense to use forum at all, aside from asking specific gameplay related questions and maybe discussing stuff in DD. It was already bad with those "toxicity" rules, a lot of people disappeared after that (to be clear, i'm not implying they were banned ), and it's going to get worse. Because you never know when you overstep that invisible barrier, that separate "proper discussion" (according to forum rules) from non proper ones. Especially because issues with PDX games seems to never end and you can't discuss that without at least some degree negativity. Also, content of most PDX games kind of "instigate" a lot of discussions that are no longer welcomed on this forum. It's hardly possible to separate games from from the historical context there are build upon.
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To clarify something I've seen asked a few times regarding certain symbols: this is not a comprehensive list and it often comes down to context.
In our experience, while historically many symbols can be seen as oppressive, some trigger negative behavior in our communities more often than others. We want to be strict with the ones we've identified as those triggering symbols, and leave ourselves room for moderating others. Suffice to say, no glorification of historical oppression will be allowed in our communities.
These are general guidelines for the whole forum, but some subforums (like OT) will still have room for moderation that fits within the context of that subforum.
In our experience, while historically many symbols can be seen as oppressive, some trigger negative behavior in our communities more often than others. We want to be strict with the ones we've identified as those triggering symbols, and leave ourselves room for moderating others. Suffice to say, no glorification of historical oppression will be allowed in our communities.
These are general guidelines for the whole forum, but some subforums (like OT) will still have room for moderation that fits within the context of that subforum.
well, maybe that's the direction they want to take the forum. this isn't reddit.
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I'm not quite sure, why Reddit is mentioned. I like forums, specifically because they allow deeper and more leveled discussion than Reddit or Discord. I'm overall quite upset that forums everywhere are on decline. But with those new rules, there will be much less discussion, IMO. And discussion is that forums are for, no?
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And i clearly stated that, in my opinion, with new rules there would be less discussion of games. I even stated reason why in my previous post. With such expansive set of rules, while a lot of them can be seen as very depended on the personal Moderator judgment and opinion on the specific issue, you'll never know if you're overstepping a boundary, before you get punished. I fully understand why PDX's making rules stricter and give moderators more freedom of judgment, yet i also fully understand people frustration with state of some PDX games.
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i'm sorry, but is there a connection between people's frustration and their expected behaviour?
if you're in a theatre is it ok to stand up and yell, 'you all suck!' at the stage?
the forum isn't a personal punching bag.
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There is connection between new forum rules and people ability to provide feedback about problems with PDX games. With such complex rules, you never know when your way of expressing your opinion is no longer considered acceptable.
This is incorrect analogy. Because behavior like this was already a punishable offence, even before new rules.
I never said it was. Also, i'm pretty sure the way you formulating your posts is already breaching new forum rules.
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