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Vahnstad said:
Modern era GSG have a few problems that I don't think could be overcome, and as no-one has been able to produce a qualitative game, i don't think it will happen.

1. It's gonna be way too controversial to depict certain countries. Some countries will be upset, banning the game in their country, and it's hard to be neutral as a game publisher. In historical games, it's less difficult, since what happened did happen.

2. The modern era isn't just that interesting, as there is often no "real goal" in the game, if you wanna go realistic. If you want the same intensity of war and things like that, it's gonna be over the top and not interest anyone, while if you go realistic, it might feel way too boring for a large part of the potential userbase, since warfare on a large scale is less common than it was centuries ago. Few countries have a standing army that large.

If they wanna take the risk, you're gonna need to overhaul the GSG system to make it interesting, and perhaps make it more of a political simulator focused on issues and elections, dealing with domestic problems as well as geopolitical conflicts or issues like climate change, nuclear proliferation or things like pandemic response, but less on actual warfare, except for some proxy conflicts, but conquer the world and paint your map in your nation's colour would just not be that interesting i think. They'll have to look more into how Democracy 4 and stuff like that works, than to their own games, because otherwise it's not going to work.
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OK, so why does Realpolitiks II exist and Jujubee's office isn't burning right now? :)
 
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Vahnstad said:
Modern era GSG have a few problems that I don't think could be overcome, and as no-one has been able to produce a qualitative game, i don't think it will happen.

1. It's gonna be way too controversial to depict certain countries. Some countries will be upset, banning the game in their country, and it's hard to be neutral as a game publisher. In historical games, it's less difficult, since what happened did happen.

2. The modern era isn't just that interesting, as there is often no "real goal" in the game, if you wanna go realistic. If you want the same intensity of war and things like that, it's gonna be over the top and not interest anyone, while if you go realistic, it might feel way too boring for a large part of the potential userbase, since warfare on a large scale is less common than it was centuries ago. Few countries have a standing army that large.
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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Regarding 1), we all know what countries would be upset and could go as far as banning the game, and all except China aren't really a market anyway. And "what happened did happen" never stops people from being upset: HoI was banned in China for correctly depicting warlordism in China of the time (official Chinese history insists that China was one and indivisible). And China is hardly alone: a game depicting Armenian genocide would meet fierce backlash from Turkey, for example.
Regarding 2), it's hard to make a fun war-centered game like HoI or EU in modern world, but a game focused on internal politics, economy and peaceful diplomacy (e.g. reforming and uniting the European Union) would be very fun if done right. Modern world has many challenges: climate change, aging population in developed countries, rapid population growth in developing countries, new industrial revolution, rise of radical politics, you name it. If done right, such game would be very fun, and a game that treats war as something really bad instead of something really cool is a great concept.
 
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IndigoRage said:
I think you misunderstand. I'm referring to two things here. We know Chris King left a project and we know a project got cancelled. Hence, people assume it's his project that got cancelled.
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How many people assume that? From memory the timing of Wiz' move suggested that he had taken over that game. Wiz is also a huge fan of V2.

For me just that the last 2 PDS new game announcements were both stated not to be V3 when they announced the announcement and that there has been no such denial this time is a pretty big indicator. But we'll find out in a few days what it is and whether it's Wiz' game.
 
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Badesumofu said:
How many people assume that? From memory the timing of Wiz' move suggested that he had taken over that game. Wiz is also a huge fan of V2.

For me just that the last 2 PDS new game announcements were both stated not to be V3 when they announced the announcement and that there has been no such denial this time is a pretty big indicator. But we'll find out in a few days what it is and whether it's Wiz' game.
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How am I supposed to know? I've seen it crop up several times as a hypothesis that many people seem to believe, but there's no way of knowing how many people believe it other than that it's something that I see expressed fairly commonly when Chris King is brought up without much push-back.
 
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At the end of the day, we know nothing and will go on knowing nothing until the game is announced on Friday. By this point we have exhausted all points of speculation multiple times over. There is little point of continuing this thread until after the announcement when we'll all use hindsight to say that we all ultimately knew that that game would be announced.

Until then there's little real reason to be here and I'll see y'all afterward when Bacon Simulator 2022 is announced.
 
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IndigoRage said:
How am I supposed to know? I've seen it crop up several times as a hypothesis that many people seem to believe, but there's no way of knowing how many people believe it other than that it's something that I see expressed fairly commonly when Chris King is brought up without much push-back.
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I'm not sure how you would know. But you made the claim so I thought you might have some kind of basis for it.
 
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By the way: until yet, I didn't notice that Wiz re-named himself to "Wizzington". When did that happen?

(I won't start the hype, but that is an interesting detail, isn't it?)
 

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Marco Dandolo said:
By the way: until yet, I didn't notice that Wiz re-named himself to "Wizzington". When did that happen?

(I won't start the hype, but that is an interesting detail, isn't it?)
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Wizzington is my other nickname that I use interchangeably with Wiz. My account name here got changed as a result of unifying forums and paradox account, I believe.
 
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Wizzington said:
Wizzington is my other nickname that I use interchangeably with Wiz. My account name here got changed as a result of unifying forums and paradox account, I believe.
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Apropos of nothing, what was the old unofficial gsg forum AARs used to most commonly be posted on... it's slipped my mind. I figured it was SA at first but for some reason I can't find it.
 
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IndigoRage said:
Apropos of nothing, what was the old unofficial gsg forum AARs used to most commonly be posted on... it's slipped my mind. I figured it was SA at first but for some reason I can't find it.
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If you're asking about my mega campaigns, they were on Something Awful but archived now. At least one of them should be in the Let's Play Archives though.
 
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EU3NOOB said:
There is little point of continuing this thread until after the announcement when we'll all use hindsight to say that we all ultimately knew that that game would be announced.
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I'm making my 20-20 hindsight prediction now, to avoid the rush. It's obvious from all of the tell-tale signs that the new game will be [ Victoria 3 - Wiz even said so before the official announcement ].

[ Edited as promised. Epimetheus would have been proud of me. ]
 
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Wizzington said:
Wizzington is my other nickname that I use interchangeably with Wiz. My account name here got changed as a result of unifying forums and paradox account, I believe.
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Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't around for some time ...
 
Marco Dandolo said:
By the way: until yet, I didn't notice that Wiz re-named himself to "Wizzington". When did that happen?

(I won't start the hype, but that is an interesting detail, isn't it?)
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"Last seen: a moment ago - viewing forum Victoria 2"
That's nice :)
 
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Hey does anyone actually understand what time system the PDXCon Remixed site is using? The site's web design is incredibly obnoxious and they never make it clear what the times the website is using are based on. I assume Central European Summer Time but the first event on Friday starts at 0:30 which sounds insane.
 
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IndigoRage said:
Hey does anyone actually understand what time system the PDXCon Remixed site is using? The site's web design is incredibly obnoxious and they never make it clear what the times the website is using are based on. I assume Central European Summer Time but the first event on Friday starts at 0:30 which sounds insane.
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Afaik, the times there are all on your local time.
Thought it was strange as well, it's convenient, but for us used to always be converting timezones it becomes quite confusing.
They should've just put "xx:xx (xx:xx CET)" just to make it clear imo.
 
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