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Chaingun :eek: misses EU2 and wants to join, I guess I'm not a n00b buuut I'm a n00b to Kasperus' map (sort of) and my comp has a weird screen format so:

1. Poland
2. France
3. Persia/Mughals/China (assuming Chinese RR events are mildened)
4. Russia

I'm aware many of these may be up for play at all but... ;)
 
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What's better: Denmark or BB? I know having a Denmark instead of BB would put more of Germany up for grabs and induce conflict about that, whereas if we have BB Denmark will with 90% certainty be split between Sweden and a second party (prolly BB). And Northern Germany will probably remains BB unless something drastical happens and BB is annexed (not likely).

In the Denmark = human BB = AI scenario, diverse nations such as Austria, Poland, Sweden, Denmark, (NL?), France, and possibly England can fight for Northern Germany, which makes for an interesting battleground.

I vote for Denmark instead of BB myself. :eek:o
 
Matija said:
For all of you conspiracy theorist out there :D :

Austrian player - Croat, Ottoman Empire player - Croat

Mwahahahaha
:cool:
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Already tried that in another game; end result was an über OE and both OE and Austria were accused of being lame. ;)
 
Seen said:
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Sable_Rose 297-828-318
Nabukodonosor 248-872-379
Ar-Pharazôn[GE] 249-064-934
Joohoo 298342882
Seen 271719753
Chaingun aka Petter aka Enigma 150858672
Matija aka Milky 276-021-109

Gotta love all the people with identity crises :D
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Well it was Joohoo who referred to my real name. :eek:
 
I'll repeat my preference of AI BB with a human played Denmark. I don't think "every decent game" needs a BB at all. Having a BB or not has a very profound gameplay effect; it is that of increased competition in Northern Germany. While I admit that can be interesting I'm a bit tired of it, because all of my last games had BBs. If you got Denmark and not BB, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Poland, France, and possibly NL and England are in a position to fight for Northern Germany, leading to lots of interesting conflicts over non-national territory. It generally doesn't piss people off as much when they lose non-national territory in a war, so it can lead to a more pleasant atmosphere. ;) (I say "national" here as territory that's "supposed" to belong to a nation, such as Jylland to Denmark etc.)

I'm not completely unbiased I admit, since I'm Poland and would profit from no BB. However I do think Northern Europe can be too crowded overall; there must be AI territory to fight for or every fight will be about lfe or death for someone.
 
Will Lithuania's vassalage to me be cancelled before start of first session? I'm referring to the "no vassals" rule. I'm not so keen at cancelling it myself with the stability cost involved.
 
Joohoo said:
Good post Comrade Seen.

And I hope everyone has understand we play with the Kasperus map?
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There's a difference between R y o k e n's AoD 1.4 and Kasperus' separate release which has a newer map version. Say "we play with AoD" instead so nobody gets confused.
 
Sable_Rose said:
Better to not act like a total asshole? Yes.
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So you basically believe annexing player nation in EU2 = being asshole? Or maybe not giving him a "fair" chance? No wars in EU2 are fair as I've learnt the hard way... I really can't see anything else but opinions here while the facts lie on my side. (I won't repeat them, see my previous posting for that.)

Please explain partitioning of Poland that happens in many other games. I'm merely acting preventively here... :rolleyes:
 
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aryus86 said:
What makes you think so? The only time I played with you, I, a newbie, crushed your Austria when I subbed France. You didn't forget, did you? That's why you wanted to eliminate me from first session.
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I don't remember that incident actually; you can perhaps enlighten me about it. (May it possibly make the "two vets gang up on newbie"-phrase less usable?) Either way the fact I don't remember it means it can't possibly be my motive for killing BB. :rolleyes: Anyone who'd have played BB would've been on the target list this session because there's no chance for BB winning. Thus there's no rational reason for Poland not to attack. Whether the player is a newbie or not is irrelevant.
 
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Dr Bob said:
Attacking a 4 province minor at the start of the game with 2 majors, wiping a player out from the game he has stated he wants to play in.
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It's cruel in your opinion. But I still see it as Poland vs BB survival regardless, and I happen to believe player annexation in a few cases is avoided to sillyness in EU2 MP. To take the example of my last MP game where I played Austria Prussia should've killed me somewhere in the 1700s to prevent a boring end game. This was since Tonio's Prussia simply was much more advanced etc. I could do nothing; he decided what wars I was allowed to when and when I was allowed to surrender. That's silly. Little point in continuing there but he forced me to by not giving me an excuse to leave. :D

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And the partition of poland always occurs when Poland is AI
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Actually I can confirm this, but that's because the player quits before Poland is finally annexed. There are multiple cases of player not wanting to live through the moment of annexation. ;) And yes, I haven't seen any AoD cases, but considering I haven't studied any AoD games at all yet that's expectable.
 
For people now entering without knowing the entire story: We had another country for the player (the reason he quit anyhow was his lag to our host at that time).

We DOWed within a few minutes of the game start. Sure, any planning is lost admittedly. But I don't consider time that could have been spent lost. Time which has been spent can be lost however, but this kind of time was minimized.

BB is a very special nation; I don't advocate that it should be included in every game due to its long term influence compared to minimal power at start.

Lastly, after all this the campaign should be named "Somebody had to die for the government". ;)
 
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