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tell me more about Olive Grey color. Is it simply a grey color (like German European Theater panzers? Because if so, it's very easy to convert palette and have all the Italian units "greyscaled". It'll look abit bland though.

As for doing planes, well they're not as easy to do. First we have to have shadows, which means I should mess with lighting. Did Italy use planes that much anyway? I've heard of the Italian Navy, but Italian Air Force? I might try doing it later though.

Sekinoss
 
Its basically a slightly darker German Gray.

Since as Italy I tend to ignore Libya (Why capture africa when it has no use?) , the vehicles seem out of place :-/
 
odd:) usually I have my fun thrashing Africa, while Germany have the European cake alone. Anyway, if it's just gray then it's very easy to convert. But then, all the units would be just BLACK and WHITE.

Sekinoss
 
Originally posted by sekinoss


As for doing planes, well they're not as easy to do. First we have to have shadows, which means I should mess with lighting. Did Italy use planes that much anyway? I've heard of the Italian Navy, but Italian Air Force? I might try doing it later though.

Sekinoss

Yeah they had some unique bombers... I think getting the same sprites as the Germans, but giving them the Italian speckled camo scheme would do it - just to differentate between the two.

I also like the fact that the Italian spirtes are in Dessert colours (Which is where they spend most of their time), and the Germans are in European colours (where they spend most of their time).

Here are some Italian bombers. I will have a look for their other planes later.

Caproni Ca133 (tactical bomber)
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Savoia-Marchetti SM-79 (Torpedo/Naval bomber)
sm79-04.jpg

sm79er_1.jpg


Piaggio P-108 B (heavy bomber)
piaggio_p108_01.jpg


ibes_p108_01.jpg


Fiat BR-20 (tactical bomber)
br20.jpg


BR20p.jpg


BR20m.jpg
 
Originally posted by sekinoss
As for doing planes, well they're not as easy to do. First we have to have shadows, which means I should mess with lighting. Did Italy use planes that much anyway? I've heard of the Italian Navy, but Italian Air Force? I might try doing it later though.

Sekinoss

From an historical point of view the Italians built nearly everything too early, they had a world class airforce for 1935. They still believed in bi-planes...
 
Italians...

Yes, the whole concept of air-power was heavily linked with the facists in the 1930's.

The Italians staged the Trans-atlantic crossing with a number of sea planes to show that numbers of planes could traverse great distances.

The British were fixated on the idea of Strategic bombing, and of the time considered that in any war France would surrender if Britain could bomb paris as the French were considered to be inferior in morale to the British. In the US, the Japanese were never considered a threat as it was believed that Japanese would make bad pilots as they had a bad sense of balance.

(It wasn't just the nazis to have radically strange racial ideas!).

My first degree was in War Studies at King's College London, and there was a very interesting series of lectures on the growth of air power. Amusingly our profesor concluded that air-power is essentially a fasicst idea, which did not go down well with the RAF and USAF students in attendance!

As already mentioned, the Italians had the leading airforce in the 1930s, but by 1940 much of it was obsolete. The Nazis had a similar problem, Hitler only reckoned on a brief war and didn't have extensive planes to upgrade Panzers, and fighters etc - as a result the Germans got caught in a similar trap during the early 1940's - it is argued that designs like the Panther could have been in production earlier, and had Hitler just allowed one design, rather than have a wide range, but few actual models of 'wunder' tanks, Germany could have concentrated on building large numbers of one type of tank.

In any case, as nice as the Air Sprites are - air combat in HOI still leaves much to be desired. Whilst the EU engine is very good for creating the ground battles, and to a lesser extend the Naval battles, the air aspect is very disapointing.

I feel Strategic Bombing should be abstracted more to represent a general bombing campaign of different targets, going for the factories - forcing AA production, and redelpyment of fighters - but at the moment transport planes intercept bombers, and even nuclear tipped ICBMs - which is crazy. I'm not so sure the tactical bombing and dive bombing is implemented well - I would rather attach air units to certain divisions which greatly increases their combat ratings.

Certainly in the case of the Germans, the Luftwaffe initially was subordinated to the Army, as a tactical air-force which gave a major advantage. Later in the war, the allies enjoyed increased attack and defense capability due to the tactical airforces developed.

Games such as 'Advanced Third Reich' and other Avalon Hill games tend to simply boost combat ratings to represent air power. I think this would make more sense... (this probably belongs in another thread).
 
Nimo Fraunhoffer and others I have tried. This game simply won't work well on my system. Every now and then it hangs or goes black screen, especially during cinematics. Black screens lead to power saves so I thought its something with my display driver. Anyway, I simply gave up on the game. I'm on mission 10 and haven't progressed since.

Sekinoss