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Rythin said:
That's WROOOONG. Upper/Lower in this case doesn't mean northern/southern but eastern/western.
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I know that, but still wouldn't it be better to rename it that way instead of having two provinces with the same name.
 
I don't have any ideas for the names of those provs, but maybe you guys could try with naming it after cities (although IMO the provs are too big for that).
 
You can really make what you want of Silesia, but personally I think that this way works rather well.
 
LOL :rofl:

Actually it was Czech at the time. :D

The population was a mix. With more Poles in the east, more Czechs in the south and more Germans in the larger towns. The region was "originally" populated by Slavic Silesians and then Bohemia and Poland fought many wars over the region before the EU2 time frame and it lost lots of its population. The Czech and Polish kings then allowed many German immigrants from the more crowded west to come into the country so it would have a healthy population and bring in wealth and skilled peoples. (nationality wasn't such an issue at these times). Then the religous wars started and Bohemia was conquered by the Austrians and then they lost it to the Prussians.

Anyways in my map, I have it as upper and lower Silesia on either side of the Oder river as well. With Vratislav (Wroclaw, Breslau) as the capital of lower and Opole for upper. I also have a Lusatia and a "Czech Silesia" region named Jesenik for now.

Upper Silesia sould have Polish culture, Lower Silesia German culture, "Czech Silesia" Czech and Lusatia should have Sorbian which can be represented as either Czech or Polish.
 
Oh ya and your provinces named Erz and Sudeten should be switched. :)

Also Sudeten is not a real region. It was made up by Nazi supporters during events before World War II but the name is used in English atlases. The name of the mountains in the area (currently named erz on your map) is Krkonose in Czech. No biggie though, Sudeten could still be used.
 
HRE rule does not equate to German rule, the HRE was made up of Dutch, Germans, Italians, Czechs, Slovaks & Burgundian French.
 
Praetor_Phoenix said:
LOL :rofl:

Actually it was Czech at the time. :D

The population was a mix. With more Poles in the east, more Czechs in the south and more Germans in the larger towns. The region was "originally" populated by Slavic Silesians and then Bohemia and Poland fought many wars over the region before the EU2 time frame and it lost lots of its population. The Czech and Polish kings then allowed many German immigrants from the more crowded west to come into the country so it would have a healthy population and bring in wealth and skilled peoples. (nationality wasn't such an issue at these times). Then the religous wars started and Bohemia was conquered by the Austrians and then they lost it to the Prussians.

Anyways in my map, I have it as upper and lower Silesia on either side of the Oder river as well. With Vratislav (Wroclaw, Breslau) as the capital of lower and Opole for upper. I also have a Lusatia and a "Czech Silesia" region named Jesenik for now.

Upper Silesia sould have Polish culture, Lower Silesia German culture, "Czech Silesia" Czech and Lusatia should have Sorbian which can be represented as either Czech or Polish.
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Good post - someone reasonable at last

HRE was not Germany - northern Italy, Netherlands, Bohemia etc... all made part of HRE for many centuries...

Btw -why it's called "central" Europe ? Since when France or Spain or Portugal... are in central Europe ? :wacko: I always tought central Europe = Germany, Poland, Hungary, Bohemia, etc... otoh - good work ;)
 
BasileiosII said:
still it wasn't part of poland at the time ;)

it was under bohemian rule, i know
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Silesia was originally a Polish region. ;)
Btw. everything else stands that was said before me. HRE is not Germany. :p
 
Upper Silesia should also have German culture :D.
1348, Silesia was integrated into Bohemia by Karl IV. He promoted german settlement and in the years following, the Slavs became a minority.
This changed again when the Hussiite Regency came to power in Bohemia.
They promoted a czech settlement of the Region.
There should maybe be an event ( if the map ever gets finished ) that changes the culture in Upper Silesia to czech then.
 
BasileiosII said:
Upper Silesia should also have German culture :D.
1348, Silesia was integrated into Bohemia by Karl IV. He promoted german settlement and in the years following, the Slavs became a minority.
This changed again when the Hussiite Regency came to power in Bohemia.
They promoted a czech settlement of the Region.
There should maybe be an event ( if the map ever gets finished ) that changes the culture in Upper Silesia to czech then.
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Really its debatable - with one silesian province i can agree - it should have german culture, even if large part of its rural population was still slavic - political/cultural elites were german-speaking or germanised already and cities were mainly german-speaking, but if there are two provinces - then im not so sure. Czech culture ? i dont think it can be justified.
Btw population of a province wont change that fast - unless some demegraphical disaster occurs (like 30 years war), normally it takes manygenerations and hundreds of years.
 
Serus said:
Really its debatable - with one silesian province i can agree - it should have german culture, even if large part of its rural population was still slavic - political/cultural elites were german-speaking or germanised already and cities were mainly german-speaking, but if there are two provinces - then im not so sure. Czech culture ? i dont think it can be justified.
Btw population of a province wont change that fast - unless some demegraphical disaster occurs (like 30 years war), normally it takes manygenerations and hundreds of years.
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Yeah, maybe it isn't such a good Idea with the event.

But what is a better way to implement cultural changes. I see none.

Serus said:
Czech culture ? i dont think it can be justified.
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Maybe not, it's just that the Hussites stopped the german immigration and promoted a czech settlement of the Region (Upper Silesia).
 
Regarding Italy (my Nation), 24 provs are too much!
Trent prov annexed to Tyrol prov
Vicenza prov renamed as Friuli
Verona (?) prov renamed as Mantua
Pavia prov annexed to Lombardia
Modena prov + Ferrara prov united in Emilia prov
Roma prov renamed as Lazio prov, but bigger
Umbria = Duchy of Spoleto

If You maintain the borders of other provs, can You edit the map of Italy only?
 
took a break, anyway i got an error with mextract :| inferis can you help or anyone else?

*** Environment Info ***

Date: 2005/06/12 23:43:42
Tool: mextract, Version=0.99.11.17597, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null (v0.99.11.17597)
OSVersion: Win32NT - 5.1.2600.0
CurrentDir: C:\Goldmod
SystemDir: C:\WINDOWS\system32
CommandLine: mextract goldmod.eu2map
CLR: 1.1.4322.2032
EU2: C:\Goldmod

*** Error Info ***

System.OverflowException: Value was either too large or too small for an unsigned byte.
at System.Byte.Parse(String s, NumberStyles style, IFormatProvider provider)
at EU2.Map.Drawing.RGBI.ReadFrom(CSVReader reader)
at EU2.Map.Drawing.ColorScale.ReadFrom(CSVReader reader)
at EU2.Map.Drawing.ColorScales.ReadFrom(CSVReader reader)
at EU2.Map.Drawing.ColorScales..ctor(CSVReader reader)
at EU2.Edit.File.Extract(Install install, String targetPath, FileExtractOptions options, FileProcessingHandler callback)
at MapExtract.Boot.Main(String[] args)
 
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