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MIG-35 will not procured in any large numbers so you can remove it from the list.

And I wonder what the criterias for SAU is? The Su-34 wont be used in the maritime strike role so it isnt necessary to have it in NWAC.
 
JanH said:
That sounds pretty good. We'll not have the Su-34 at launch, alas. T-50K and T-50 will be the backbone of the Russian air superiority force (N and G), with MiG-29K as a makeshift navalized version (like the Super Hornets will do for the US).

I'd add the Su-27 to the MAU list.
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CarlosM said:
MIG-35 will not procured in any large numbers so you can remove it from the list.

And I wonder what the criterias for SAU is? The Su-34 wont be used in the maritime strike role so it isnt necessary to have it in NWAC.
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All of us know that MiG-29 and Sukhoi-27 later developments and hence variants have carried other designations as well (MiG-29M has also been called MiG-33 and Sukhoi-27 have many variants, like the Su-27K being the Su-33, the Su-27M being the closest thing to a Su-35, etc.). I think that the MiG-29K, which is a direct derivative of the MiG-29M, will be a bit too old by 2030. Since the MiG-35's development stems directly from the MiG-29M as well, it would be more logical than the MiG-29K. It is true that we could say that the MiG-29K can be called "Super" Fulcrum, much like it is with the Super Hornet. Are they going to order a great many MiG-29K however? That is the question at this point.

On the contrary, I think that by 2030 the MiG-35 will be ordered in a greater number than one would believe since they are going to replace aging MiG-31BM and MIG-29SMT. MiG's new aircraft project will also somewhat forces Russian authorities to replace more and more aging aircraft or their variants. In any case, many MiG-31 and MiG-29 will be kept as trainers or for Russia's continental defense as multirole fighters.

As for SAU's standards, refer to air units which are meant to act both offensively or defensively from within an area close to shore, for both tactical air support of amphibious assault task forces and/or anti-submarine warfare/anti-ship warfare deep maritime patrol over and from a coastal area. Please, read Sukhoi Su-34's description here, it specifically refers to it as a shore-based naval aircraft; hence as per other readings, it is essentially a maritime patrol/strike fighter, armed with anti-ship missiles and/or torpedoes.
 
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There is an order of 24 Fulcrums being negotiated, because of the economic benefits to piggy-back India´s order.
Some say that the russian Mig-29Ks will incorporate features from the Mig-35/Mig-29M.
The justification for the Mig-29K being in-game is that its carrier-based which the Mig-35 isnt. About the order for Mig-35 only time can tell.
They are refitting around 100 Mig-31s and there arent a lot of Mig-29SMT to replace so I´m not so sure.

And for the Su-34 being especially desgined as a SAU/"shore-based naval aircraft" you should get a better source than wikipedia.;)
According to military.tomsk.ru which is a MUCH more credible source the Su-34 is a "multipurpose strike aircraft/ tactical bomber". There was a maritime version proposed, the Su-32FN, but it didnt make the cut.
The Su-34 can detect ships (not its optimal role) and fire ASMs but not torpedoes, and it cant detect submarines.

And I havent heard of a sign of life from Mig LMFS for years so dont get your hopes up.
 
CarlosM said:
And for the Su-34 being especially designed as a SAU/"shore-based naval aircraft" you should get a better source than wikipedia. ;)
According to military.tomsk.ru which is a MUCH more credible source the Su-34 is a "multipurpose strike aircraft/ tactical bomber". There was a maritime version proposed, the Su-32FN, but it didn't make the cut.
The Su-34 can detect ships (not its optimal role) and fire ASMs but not torpedoes, and it can't detect submarines.

And I havent heard of a sign of life from MiG LMFS for years so don't get your hopes up.
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Actually, I did not take the information directly from Wikipedia (it inspired me though), but rather from here since it was more comprehensive. Seriously though, the Su-32FN and the Su-34 are much of the same but for the name and the fact that the Su-32FN is the prototype version and the Su-34 is the production version). If you read the page over there, you might have a better view over the Su-34's capabilities and role(s).

About the concerns we have over the MiG-29K, I think that the Sukhoi's T-50K will much more potent than once it will be in operation, thus I do not really see the need for the MiG-29K in the game since it would most likely be superseded by the newer aircraft on Russia's sole carrier and when Russia's new carrier project gets completed. By the way, will Russia build a sizeable number of MiG-29K? I highly doubt it...

We both agree the MiG's LFMS project (based on both Project 1.42/44) is far from being close in getting an airplane in production, however they might just get something out eventually due to MiG's heavy lobby at the Kremlin. The need is there nevertheless.
 
Based on the fact that JASSM has only GPS and inertial guidance going for it it would at the very least be a very awkward missile to use in an anti-shipping mode as it would essentially have to be dumb fired with guidence only possible through mid-course updates.
 
krazyfrenchman said:
Actually, I did not take the information directly from Wikipedia (it inspired me though), but rather from here since it was more comprehensive. Seriously though, the Su-32FN and the Su-34 are much of the same but for the name and the fact that the Su-32FN is the prototype version and the Su-34 is the production version). If you read the page over there, you might have a better view over the Su-34's capabilities and role(s).

About the concerns we have over the MiG-29K, I think that the Sukhoi's T-50K will much more potent than once it will be in operation, thus I do not really see the need for the MiG-29K in the game since it would most likely be superseded by the newer aircraft on Russia's sole carrier and when Russia's new carrier project gets completed. By the way, will Russia build a sizeable number of MiG-29K? I highly doubt it...

We both agree the MiG's LFMS project (based on both Project 1.42/44) is far from being close in getting an airplane in production, however they might just get something out eventually due to MiG's heavy lobby at the Kremlin. The need is there nevertheless.
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In the ASuW role the Su-32FN and Su-34 might be similar, but it cant launch the biggest missiles (Onyx and Moskit) and its definitely not a maritime patrol aircraft (4000km ferry range versus 6500km for Tu-142 or 12000km for Tu-95)
or a ASW aircraft unlike the Su-32FN. The Su-34 cant launch sonarbuoys and torpedoes and it doesnt carry the Sea Snake maritime patrol avionics suite, so there are differences.

Well you can see the Mig-29K as a mirror of the Fa-18 in the game. Im not entirely sure about it being needed either.
And as I said 24 Mig-29K are to be purchased, 90% certain.

As for the Mig LMFS, I seriously doubt it ever being finshed. And if you think that the MiG lobby is big then the Sukhoi or Tupolev lobby is humongous.:)
 
Amur_Tiger said:
Based on the fact that JASSM has only GPS and inertial guidance going for it it would at the very least be a very awkward missile to use in an anti-shipping mode as it would essentially have to be dumb fired with guidence only possible through mid-course updates.
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Good point, but it is still part of the future (though still unfunded) plans for the weapon to deploy it in an ASuW role (see end of article).
 
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