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[unmerged(7276)]

I dont think OE did much in that war. I was just there to defend polands west front from brand iirr.

Either way I dont really care. I just expected when you said the alliance was broken up it meant that. THat england (and prob austira) are going to join this ongoing war im in just doesnt make me want to play. When an alliance breaks up i expect it to be for at least a session or in this case at least til the end of my war.

Anyway, i guess thats that.... shame really but i dont think anyone is personally to blame for the death of the game...

 

[unmerged(41172)]

Too bad

I wanned to play this beautifull England. Maybe some other time.

 

[Aladar]

Well speaking of lies and petty squables, you seen to be pretty good at this yourself Ego.

1) I did never make Poland onlimits when you dropped. We rehosted everytime you dropped, which btw. you did a lot in that war. Not my fault, but that i made you onlimits, where the fuck did you get that from?

2) You let Russia eat a large part of Lithuania, and complain that i took 2 provinses from it?

3) Yes and i would still complain that fighting an ally of mine, especially an AI is breaking the nap.

4) I had a deal with Russia that Sweden was not to be DA for 100 years. Just because i then decided to make sure Russia couldn't my taking the neighboring provinse, that doesn't mean the deal was void. Russia didn't care and annexed them. It was a fair 1 vs. 1 war, untill Drake decided he was losing and called in the English navy to kill mine. Which was all England did in that war, which forced me to WP.

5) Well the MA ban was there for a reason. So that the Daniel MA Asia strategy could not be used. You did it the right way, since it should cost a lot of BB to get to India via land. Was it harder and more difficult yes, but so is life.

6) Sorry about the Curonia business, i was certain you had agreed. But this was correct by edit the session after, no reason to be pissed the rest of the game over that.

7) So now you are pissed because i took Quesm, which you wanted. Well sorry i got there before you.

8) Yeah i see that the RUS, POL, OE vs. DK/BB is very fair. And OE only have over 100k on the border protecting POL, so ofcourse that didn't mean anything. Ofcourse that wasn't a gang, my fault very sorry EGO. You are such a brave and honerable fellw. Up yours.

9) Do you even understand that demanding a riverborder with BB means you have a border at his capital. Did you really think he would ever accept that?

10) You always bullied BB, which i had allied. You had asked all neighbors for a NAP in the first session, but ofcourse you only wanted 1 provinses from BB. I joined the war when you dow'ed BB - simple as that.

All in all i have difficulties seeing thinks the way you do, but then again you seem to have no understanding of my points either. Nothing to do about that it seems. Just didn't wanna let your false accusations stand without a responds.

 

[BurningEGO]

When i was at war vs Denmark + Bradenburg, i CTDed ONLY ONCE. I do not remember what exactly hapened, but it wasnt a real CTD. I think that i had a blackout. Either way, it was a short one, and when i came back (20 mins later), i spammed everyone on ICQ. Drake told me that you had onlimited Poland. And, IIRC, you did. After all, when i joined, i still remember you saying to whoever was hosting: "Pick the something save". I do not remember what the something was, but it was some date, thats for sure. And it seemed that it was an old one. I complained that same game, and you played deaf ears. Your silence meant that you really did what Drake told me about. And if Drake told me such, i would believe him.

I always bullied BB? I only fought 2 wars the whole game vs them. Plus this last one. And yes, i do consider OE+Russia+Poland vs NL+Bradenburg+DK+England fair fight. Not my fault that you could not hold your ground despite your huge MP pool. My MP pool was smaller then BB, and the OE barely sent 100k men there. England was messing me, and if BB continued the war, India would give you guys a huge WS amount. It was stupid to see BB peacing so fast, but who cares? If we compare our economy, you guys beat us by far. If we combine the MP, Russia and Poland alone has more then your alliance. But the OE only sent 100k men either way. They did not send the insane amount of men France did. Plus, your fleets combined were by far huge, and England had a couple of CRTs above us, 2 IIRC. With naval supremacy over the baltic, even the most ridiculous player can handle his own.

I do not care about Qeshm. Actually it was what motivated the OE to join, if you cared reading everything. I would say, that i am somewhat thankful to you. You did something useful for the first time, at least to me.

The provinces Russia got were non-culture and non-religion (to me). I could not DA lithuania like that. And they were not my cores. I had no reason to hold them. Besides they were my allies, so loosing provinces to them, i do not really care.

Yes, i do understand that demanding the river border would mean direct contact into his capital. Do i care about it? Not even a bit. I seemed to be dowed and dowed after each truce. Did you guys care about it? Which is worse? I keep saying that i never had any problem with BBurg. These regions were for purely defensive purposes.

And to top it all, i am not lying. I, sometimes, lie inside the game, but after all, EU2 is full of backstabs, plotting and lies, IMO. These are all dirty things to do, but still alowed. I am not playing this game anymore, so lying would not benefit me anyway. Everything i said, in the previous post, and in this, is nothing more then the truth. I am not sure about onlimiting Poland, but it was what Drake told me. And if he did, i believe on him. I doubt Drake would lie like that.

But yes, at least we share something in common: i dropped this stuff long time ago, but after hearing all stuff you and other people stated in this thread, i couldnt simply shut the hell up like if i was the Bad Boy in this whole game, as if you were correct. I do not simply shut up in front of false acusations/statements.

 

[unmerged(49182)]

Cheech, I had no intentions of trying to get Austria to join the war. Just so you know.

 

[unmerged(36826)]

France: The mechanics behind the country

This was a rather strange game for me, but I did enjoy it nonetheless. I started off with an assumption that England should be relatively neutral, as should Spain and I wanted to get a Rhine border and have a bit of a presence in Italy.

Happily enough for me this was achieved remarkably quickly, france unified fast, England was bought into close neutrality by me letting them keep Flanders, BB and Austria had their own problems and I danced to the Rhein unopposed. Venice had got quite big early on and I decided to attack them, however it would have not been a certain outcome so I enlisted Spanish help as they were probably angry at Venice taking south Italy.

That worked well and milan was taken by me, too bad a public outcry against the perennial absolut-bob alliance meant absolut was reluctant to ally with me for most of the rest of the game.

I then benefitted from my neigbours going into eco techs, I had LT 9 years ahead of them, and Venice was savaged for north italy, the rich part. I had a good border that I approved of with Venice and started trying to be friends with them again, which worked surprisingly well when the offered an alliance.
Austria meanwhile were fire phase down and fighting the OE, they posed no threat to France and BB was preoccupied with Poland, and Spain with the OE.
This left me with no enemies to fight, so I spent some time building an empire in North America, always keeping a CRT ahead of my neigbours, this meant any war against them would be a virtual gang and I wasn't too keen on that. I had some links with the OE at this time but the nth savaging of Austria by the Turk convinced me to act, and I stepped in with Austria becoming my vassal. This was shortly after Venice had commited suicide by taking all of Africa and accepted my vassalistion to protect themselves.

Although this may be seen as the apex of french power it wasn't great as the main CoT owners decided to form an alliance and embargo me as I was deemed too powerful. This was very irritating and put back my development by years, and Austria decided to jump ship to the OE and co for some reason, Venice stayed firmly put in french arms.

I also let Austria go to lower the embargo, but it was remembered and steps were taken to stop it happening again. Russia and Poland and the OE had each made enemies of Spain, Austria, BB and Denmark. Portugal had also annoyed Spain by being a turkish ally before a spanish one and England and Holland were just greedy, so I decided to get them all together to 1) Strip them of some CoTs to stop an embargo happening again and 2) Keep everyone but me at each others throats.

The plan was for France, England and Holland (added later) to attack Portugal, using spanish MA due to spain not liking Porto. Hopefully the 3 easterns would react and defend Porto which is when Spain and Austria would attack the OE, BB would attack Poland and Denmark would attack Russia, with french aid where needed.

However Spain hated porto more than expected and wanted to join, so they were invited and Frace stepped out and stayed ready for the counterattack. Which didn't arrive.
So step 2 was implemented and the alliance formed and attacked the easterners as mentioned above, ending in mixed success, as Porto lost some CoTs and BB regained land but Russia was not hurt at all and would likely hold a longer grudge. Still things were looking bright in France, the next plan was to take NA from Denmark and then possibly tech naval and have a pop at England.

 

[admiral drake]

Well speaking of lies and petty squables, you seen to be pretty good at this yourself Ego.

1) I did never make Poland onlimits when you dropped. We rehosted everytime you dropped, which btw. you did a lot in that war. Not my fault, but that i made you onlimits, where the fuck did you get that from?

2) You let Russia eat a large part of Lithuania, and complain that i took 2 provinses from it?

3) Yes and i would still complain that fighting an ally of mine, especially an AI is breaking the nap.

4) I had a deal with Russia that Sweden was not to be DA for 100 years. Just because i then decided to make sure Russia couldn't my taking the neighboring provinse, that doesn't mean the deal was void. Russia didn't care and annexed them. It was a fair 1 vs. 1 war, untill Drake decided he was losing and called in the English navy to kill mine. Which was all England did in that war, which forced me to WP.

5) Well the MA ban was there for a reason. So that the Daniel MA Asia strategy could not be used. You did it the right way, since it should cost a lot of BB to get to India via land. Was it harder and more difficult yes, but so is life.

6) Sorry about the Curonia business, i was certain you had agreed. But this was correct by edit the session after, no reason to be pissed the rest of the game over that.

7) So now you are pissed because i took Quesm, which you wanted. Well sorry i got there before you.

8) Yeah i see that the RUS, POL, OE vs. DK/BB is very fair. And OE only have over 100k on the border protecting POL, so ofcourse that didn't mean anything. Ofcourse that wasn't a gang, my fault very sorry EGO. You are such a brave and honerable fellw. Up yours.

9) Do you even understand that demanding a riverborder with BB means you have a border at his capital. Did you really think he would ever accept that?

10) You always bullied BB, which i had allied. You had asked all neighbors for a NAP in the first session, but ofcourse you only wanted 1 provinses from BB. I joined the war when you dow'ed BB - simple as that.

All in all i have difficulties seeing thinks the way you do, but then again you seem to have no understanding of my points either. Nothing to do about that it seems. Just didn't wanna let your false accusations stand without a responds.

1)yes you did onlimits poland cause ego ctd and disapeart for a bit after, you thought he quit and didn't wan't to wait till end of session to see what happend, wich is a very lame and greedy thing to try

 

[admiral drake]

France: The mechanics behind the country

This was a rather strange game for me, but I did enjoy it nonetheless. I started off with an assumption that England should be relatively neutral, as should Spain and I wanted to get a Rhine border and have a bit of a presence in Italy.

Happily enough for me this was achieved remarkably quickly, france unified fast, England was bought into close neutrality by me letting them keep Flanders, BB and Austria had their own problems and I danced to the Rhein unopposed. Venice had got quite big early on and I decided to attack them, however it would have not been a certain outcome so I enlisted Spanish help as they were probably angry at Venice taking south Italy.

That worked well and milan was taken by me, too bad a public outcry against the perennial absolut-bob alliance meant absolut was reluctant to ally with me for most of the rest of the game.

I then benefitted from my neigbours going into eco techs, I had LT 9 years ahead of them, and Venice was savaged for north italy, the rich part. I had a good border that I approved of with Venice and started trying to be friends with them again, which worked surprisingly well when the offered an alliance.
Austria meanwhile were fire phase down and fighting the OE, they posed no threat to France and BB was preoccupied with Poland, and Spain with the OE.
This left me with no enemies to fight, so I spent some time building an empire in North America, always keeping a CRT ahead of my neigbours, this meant any war against them would be a virtual gang and I wasn't too keen on that. I had some links with the OE at this time but the nth savaging of Austria by the Turk convinced me to act, and I stepped in with Austria becoming my vassal. This was shortly after Venice had commited suicide by taking all of Africa and accepted my vassalistion to protect themselves.

Although this may be seen as the apex of french power it wasn't great as the main CoT owners decided to form an alliance and embargo me as I was deemed too powerful. This was very irritating and put back my development by years, and Austria decided to jump ship to the OE and co for some reason, Venice stayed firmly put in french arms.

I also let Austria go to lower the embargo, but it was remembered and steps were taken to stop it happening again. Russia and Poland and the OE had each made enemies of Spain, Austria, BB and Denmark. Portugal had also annoyed Spain by being a turkish ally before a spanish one and England and Holland were just greedy, so I decided to get them all together to 1) Strip them of some CoTs to stop an embargo happening again and 2) Keep everyone but me at each others throats.

The plan was for France, England and Holland (added later) to attack Portugal, using spanish MA due to spain not liking Porto. Hopefully the 3 easterns would react and defend Porto which is when Spain and Austria would attack the OE, BB would attack Poland and Denmark would attack Russia, with french aid where needed.

However Spain hated porto more than expected and wanted to join, so they were invited and Frace stepped out and stayed ready for the counterattack. Which didn't arrive.
So step 2 was implemented and the alliance formed and attacked the easterners as mentioned above, ending in mixed success, as Porto lost some CoTs and BB regained land but Russia was not hurt at all and would likely hold a longer grudge. Still things were looking bright in France, the next plan was to take NA from Denmark and then possibly tech naval and have a pop at England.

you forgot the part where you dowed me for no reason tegeter with dk(that brook a nap btw )while you had crt + some 4/5/5 general or something, over finland, wich was basicle the reason i supported a embargo on france later

 

[Aladar]

Something which was returned to status quo when Ego finally did turn up again. So why the fuck bring it up now. It didn't change anything as we went back to the save from his crash.

This is quite a different story than me "just" deciding to make Poland onlimits because EGO crashed, and pretent that i had some hidden agenda to get rid of EGO from the start.

 

[BurningEGO]

Ah, so after all i am not the liar around these parts. If you knew i wasnt lying, then why the hell did you said i was? As drake said, that was a "Greedy" action (amongst other things). Even if i quited the game, you did not even wait a single session, to look for a new perm. You just decided to onlimit Poland, since Poland was your potential enemy. Did you do the same to NL, since frostie did not show up?

Sure, whatever was your reason, it was a pure mistake from your part (which i can forgive). But then say that i am lying, and say that you never onlimited Poland, to make yourself look better in the picture...

 

[unmerged(36826)]

you forgot the part where you dowed me for no reason tegeter with dk(that brook a nap btw )while you had crt + some 4/5/5 general or something, over finland, wich was basicle the reason i supported a embargo on france later

So I did, Denmark had been beaten by Russia and Russia imho broke the no annex Sweden deal, so I was inclined to be on Denmarks side, Denmark also offered me 3000 ducats to help them in a war + I looked on it as a chance to get Russian maps.

So I landed and sacked Moscow and singlehandly took back finland for Denmark, which I hoped would be holdable by aladar as a chokepoint, apparently not though...