Norway

[Incompetent]

Here are some events to increase the chance that Scotland actually fights for Norway:

event = {
id = XXX1
random = no
country = NOR
trigger = {
war = { country = NOR country = KAL }
NOT = { war = { country = SCO country = NOR } }
NOT = { countrysize = 2 }
}
date = { year = 1419 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { year = 1550 }
name = "Norway is dying"
desc = "With the Danish and Swedish armies encroaching on what little was left of the Kingdom of Norway, the Norwegians' only hope for protection against the forces of Kalmar lay with the Scots across the sea. Norway could no longer stand alone."
style = 1

action_a = {
name = "Only Scotland can save us!"
command = { type = trigger which = XXX2 }

}
action_b = {
name = "Nonsense! We can still fight for ourselves!"
command = { type = INF which = -2 value = 5000 }
command = { type = CAV which = -2 value = 5000 }
}
}

event = {
id = XXX2
random = no
country = SCO
name = "Norway is dying"
desc = "Due to their dire situation, the few Norwegians still in a position to serve us have pledged their eternal loyalty to the King of Scotland, to do with them as he pleases. Although recapturing the rest of Norway is a difficult proposition, the king would be failing in his duty as its protector if he gave in to Kalmar."
style = 1

action_a = {
name = "Set sail for Norway!"
command = { type = inherit which = NOR }
command = { type = war which = KAL }
command = { type = cash which = -300}
command = { type = transports which = -2 value = 10} #The AI will need these
command = { type = galleys which = -2 value = 10}
command = { type = INF which = 255 value = 5000 }
command = { type = CAV which = 255 value = 5000 }
command = { type = trigger which = XXX6 }
}

action_b = {
name = "It's not worth it. Let the Kalmar Union have Norway"
command = { type = inherit which = NOR }
command = { type = secede which = KAL value = 255 }
command = { type = removecore which = 255 }
#ditto for other Norwegian provinces
command = { type = relation which = KAL value = 200 } #relations will be -200, so this is just patching up differences
command = { type = stability value = -1 } #In lieu of the penalty you'd get for abandoning your vassals, were they still independent
command = { type = MIL which = 60 value = -2} #The military is disappointed with your cowardice
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200312 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX5 }
# the other inheritance events
}
}

event = {
id = XXX3
random = no
country = KAL
trigger = {
event = 200312 #Scotland has inherited a reasonably intact Norway
exists = SCO
NOT = { war = { country = SCO country = KAL }
NOT = { owned = province = 255 data = -1 } #Kalmar doesn't own any of the Norwegian heartland
NOT = { owned = province = YYY data = -1 }
NOT = { owned = province = YYY data = -1 }
}
date = { year = 1520 }
offset = 500
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
name = "Norway slips from our grasp"
desc = "After Norway became fully integrated into Scotland, there was no remaining doubt about where the Norwegians' loyalties lay. The Union still wanted to bring Norway back into the fold, but they would not be welcome there now."
style = 1

action_a = {
name = "We shall never abandon our claims!"
command = { type = remove_countryculture which = norwegian} #it won't actually be called this in the final version
command = { type = DIP which = 120 value = -1} #No prizes for your diplomacy skills
command = { type = vp value = -100 } #Failing to take Norway as Kalmar is pretty inept
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}

action_b = {
name = "Perhaps it's for the best..."
command = { type = remove_countryculture which = norwegian}
command = { type = secede which = SCO value = 255 }
command = { type = removecore which = 255 }
#ditto for other Norwegian provinces
command = { type = badboy which = -3 }
command = { type = relation which = SCO value = 200 }
command = { type = vp value = -100 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
}
}

# Event to stop Scotland cheating the system (eg by conquering Norway and then releasing it as a vassal)

event = {
id = XXX4
random = no
country = SCO
trigger = {
war = { country = SCO country = NOR }
}
date = { year = 1419 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { year = 1820 }
name = "Scotland's greed"
desc = "Frustrated with their inability to incorporate Norway into their realm by peaceful means, the Scots decided to take what they considered theirs by force. This instantly destroyed any allegiance the Norwegians might have felt to Scotland."
style = 1

action_a = {
name = "Disloyal swine!"
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX2 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX5 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200312 }
command = { type = badboy which = 3 } #Your behaviour is disgraceful, and the world knows it
command = { type = DIP which = 120 value = -3}
command = { type = stability which = -2 }
}
}

# Someone might diploannex Norway. That's fine, but we want to avoid any silly releasing and reinheriting shenaginans on the part of players

event = {
id = XXX5
random = no
country = SCO
trigger = {
NOT = { exists = NOR }
}
date = { year = 1419 }
offset = 0
deathdate = { year = 1600 }
name = "Scotland and Norway"
desc = "One way or another, Norway had ceased to exist as an independent state. The Norwegians still felt a certain affinity with Scotland; however, the King would have to make some concessions to the Norwegian nobility if he wanted their full support."
style = 1

action_a = {
name = "We can accommodate the Norwegians"
command = { type = domestic which = centralisation value = -2 }
command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 2 }
command = { type = trigger which = XXX6 }
}

action_b = {
name = "No concessions - I'm in charge around here"
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200312 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX2 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX4 }
# the other inheritance events
command = { type = vp value = 10 }
}
}

# Avoiding some duplication
event = {
id = XXX6
random = no
country = SCO
# Triggered by any of the three assimilation events (XXX2, XXX5 and 200312)
name = "Norway is assimilated"
desc = "The Norwegians are now an integral part of our realm."
style = 1

action_a = {
name = "Excellent"
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX1 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX2 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX4 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = XXX5 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 200312 }
command = { type = add_countryculture which = norwegian }
command = { type = wakeleader which = 30661 } # Hannibal Sehested
command = { type = wakeleader which = 30662 } # J¯rgen Bjelke
command = { type = wakeleader which = 30663 } # Reinhold von Hovens
command = { type = wakeleader which = 30664 } # Peter Tordenskiold
}
}

Subsequent Norwegian events for Scotland will also need changing - they should depend on Scotland holding the heart of Norway, AND XXX6 having fired.

 

[MattyG]

Nice work. I didn't really understand why some of the events are there, perhaps because my style of play does aim towards crass explots, which some of your events seek to avoid (glad you are doing that).

A few minor comments only, especially regarding the amount of Stability hits.

As a rule I think that Stab hits are handed out too liberrally in events, and sometimes for the wrong reasons.

For example, in the events above, Scotland takes -2 if it doesn't respond. If Kalmar doesn't give up claims it gets -1. Seems like "Damned if you don't get involved, damned if you do".

I can see how national prestige may be hurt by letting go of claims, but people actually like peace and peace means stability. We should not be handing out a drop of -2 in stability because someone has chosen peace. I would rather see the monarchs DIP rating take a hit for ten years (loss of prestige) than have peace cause serious instability.

I think this is a command that needs to be used a lot more often. Nothing hurts your ability to conduct diplomacy like having your monarch's DIP rating lowered, and I believe that it better reflects the loss of both international prestige and standing among the nobility. Three, five and ten year batches of hits are about the right lengths, depending on severity of the issue.

In the cases such as not going to war, the hits to Monarch Ratings should probably be meted out between both DIP and also MIL, as the king has clearly shown a resolve not to use force, perhaps a lack of faith in the militarily is partly to blame. This will inevitably lead to loss of confidence/morale in the military.

Accordingly, in the Otion_B for the initial event, I would prefer to see the command to reduce Stability replaced with

command = { type = DIP which = -2 value = 60 }
command = { type = MIL which = -2 value = 60 }

Matty

 

[Incompetent]

For example, in the events above, Scotland takes -2 if it doesn't respond. If Kalmar doesn't give up claims it gets -1. Seems like "Damned if you don't get involved, damned if you do".

I can see how national prestige may be hurt by letting go of claims, but people actually like peace and peace means stability. We should not be handing out a drop of -2 in stability because someone has chosen peace. I would rather see the monarchs DIP rating take a hit for ten years (loss of prestige) than have peace cause serious instability.

I'm handing out stab hits because the loss of prestige is severe: if Scotland lets Kalmar take Norway, it has completely abrogated its duties as protector of the Norwegians: bear in mind that the cost of breaking vassalage as a suzerain is 3 stab, so it's not something that's taken lightly. Kalmar gets -1 in its event for general feebleness - it really isn't hard for Kalmar to take at least the bulk of Norway, and if they fail to do so after 100 years, the rulers will be seen as weak and incompetent, whether or not they say 'we'll do it eventually'.

The hits to monarch score, though, are an excellent idea. I'm reluctant to give Scotland a DIP penalty for trying to patch things up with Kalmar (a MIL penalty would make sense, though), but if Kalmar and Scotland persist in claiming Norway while the people there are hostile to them, then by all means they should be slapped with penalties to DIP. I'll edit something in.

 

[MattyG]

I'm handing out stab hits because the loss of prestige is severe: if Scotland lets Kalmar take Norway, it has completely abrogated its duties as protector of the Norwegians: bear in mind that the cost of breaking vassalage as a suzerain is 3 stab, so it's not something that's taken lightly. Kalmar gets -1 in its event for general feebleness - it really isn't hard for Kalmar to take at least the bulk of Norway, and if they fail to do so after 100 years, the rulers will be seen as weak and incompetent, whether or not they say 'we'll do it eventually'.

The hits to monarch score, though, are an excellent idea. I'm reluctant to give Scotland a DIP penalty for trying to patch things up with Kalmar (a MIL penalty would make sense, though), but if Kalmar and Scotland persist in claiming Norway while the people there are hostile to them, then by all means they should be slapped with penalties to DIP. I'll edit something in.

Yes, and the -3 stab hit for failing a vassal is something I also think is over the top. A fourty province country that fails to come to the aid of a distant, wrong-culture one province minor, and somehow the peasants and less nobility in the distant homeland give a damn? Let alone take it as a sign that the end is nigh and the king is weak? Waaaaay over the top.

I use the Monarch Rating hits a lot in the New World material and one of the many many many things I would like to see us do is to go through the events and edit in more of these, and review some of the stability hits. I often get the feeling that event writers have a knee-jerk reaction to use stab hits. As if every thing that happens causes the country to shudder in response.