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[TheArchduke]

Hungary, Milano and Genoa will prolly be dropped for the first version. A shame, but I don´t find them interesting and others seem the same way.

Burgundy, Ukraine and Hansa are close to go the way of the dodo, too.

 

[unmerged(1047)]

Hmm... I, at least, find Burgundy (as a continental power, possibly trying to recreate the Empire of Charlemagne?), Genoa (as a potential colonial power, with the historically hired out Italian explorers such as Columbus) and Hansa (as something of a hybrid of the two, and as an obstacle to Kalmar domination of the Baltic) interesting, and Hungary possibly as well (in the role of the falling empire, perhaps, with Byzantium, Bavaria, and Bohemia profiting from its decline, and then trying to arrest its own decline by going CRC and trying to force the region's heretics back to Catholicism). If it's just an issue of nobody yet stepping forward to write events for them, I suspect that might be an issue of language (it's rather difficult to research this period of history without speaking the language of the country you're looking at).

I agree with Milan (too close to too many other powers) and Ukraine (too close to too many small states, will rack up BB like mad).

 

[unmerged(24862)]

At least Hungary shouldn´t be dropped, who´s gonna replace the hole they would leave, if it´s a question of availability of events, I´ll try my best to remedy that.

 

[Medicine Man]

Please do leave room for these nations, Archduke, and I'm sure we'll have some bank on them by version 1.10 or something. I personally feel that Burgundy, Hungary, and Hansa, at least, are quite crucial for the game. Genoa and Ukraine also have much potential.

Time permitting, I'd do events, leaders and monarchs for the whole lot of them; although I do despise doing monarch lists, ugh.

 

[TheArchduke]

Hungary is a question of language, kind of sad we couldn´t, or I couldn´t recruit an Hungarian.

The Ukraine could be cool, but I am still toying with the idea of letting the golden Horde kinda evolve into a Mughal Empire thing, but after all they are mongol, not the best prequesite for an effective state.

Burgundy is also a question of overstuffness and frankly they feel a bit too much like replaying a little France.

Hansa is too divided so far, I fear.

Milano has seen no interest at all, she is dropped already. And Genoa will be weakened by my Sicily plans.

 

[unmerged(1047)]

Why not Genoa? If you make Sicily *that* big, it's going to dwarf everyone else in the game. Setting up a Genoa vs. Sicily north vs. south thing could be fun - plus, I think Genoa is the natural repository for all of those Italian explorers who historically hired themselves out. What I'm thinking is setting Genoa up with the islands (as it already has), plus Venice and the rest of Northern Italy - maybe not in hand, but ready to fall into their hands - with the central part of Italy falling toward Sicily.

Hungary, I think, might be doable - or else, replace it with another nation in the same place, if we can get say a Croatian or something like that to help with the names.

The Hansa probably needs some toughening up is all; it starts out pretty fractured, and I'm wondering if we might be able to make up for that by making it somewhat bigger. Toss it a couple more North German provinces and Amsterdam, perhaps?

 

[Medicine Man]

Well... the whole point of the Aberration is to play nations that historically ended up under the domination of their neighbors; Hungary, Burgundy and Ukraine all fall pretty strongly into this category. Genoa and the Hansa are both interest me as good challenges for a human player in SP. Both are heavy trading powers with a small footprint in Europe, good nations to act as middle tier powers.

I guess it is up to you, ultimately, but I'd rather not cut out too many viable player nations.

 

[TheArchduke]

Well, question is who could do Hungary, I would love to have some events, leaders and monarchs who have hungarian names and are somewhat connected to Hungary.

 

[Medicine Man]

Well, I agree that there is a difficulty there. What I'd probably do is look for some information on the Hungarian aristocracy during the time period and try to figure out who could have possibly taken Corvinus' place after Mattias' son died off. Or perhaps we could use a modified version of Siebenburgen's monarch list.

Leaders would require a combination of research, to turn up the names of a few commanders from Hungary, and creativity, to bullshit up some statistics and alternate histories.

Events, especially fantastic events, are easy by comparison.

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Bottom line is... you're probably right, Archduke. To do a really good job of it, one really should be knowledgable in the history of the region. Although I would like to, I don't really have the time to do the research. As of Monday next week, I'm going to be really busy -- I have just enough time to get everything done for Granada.

Just one thing, if these nations do get the axe, could you please leave the leader/monarch/event IDs reserved for them? I really like "Abe" and would happily continue adding countries bit-by-bit for the next few months.

Cheers.

 

[TheArchduke]

New things are always addable!

 

[Nikolai II]

The Ukraine could be cool, but I am still toying with the idea of letting the golden Horde kinda evolve into a Mughal Empire thing, but after all they are mongol, not the best prequesite for an effective state.

I'm looking into both, as much as time and energy permits. Monarch files should possibly be completed tomorrow (else by tuesday, my parents-in-law are coming for a prolonged visit tomorrow)