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Valdemar said:
KB thanks :)

Well I'd forgotten that you hadn't read the first part before you left :) and besides, this hardly qualifies as inportant? ;)

V
Now that is not a very nice thing to do...
making fun of the people that like your writing....:(

:D
 
I'm not making fun of you, I just had forgotten that you left for the holidays so early that I managed to get three updates up before you came back that's all *shrug*

And this is hardly important in the greater scheme of things ;)

V
 
Excellent updates, V. :)

On the subject of cannons, the monsters that Urban of Hungary built for Mehmet were of bronze. Iron would have made them too heavy. As it was, one of the largest had a barrel length of 26' 8" and a muzzle circumference of 8' near the front. The thickness of the bronze was about 8". The stone shot it used was estimated near 1200lbs. An iron ball of similar size would have weighed some 4000lbs and would have likely ruptured the cannon. Hoop & stave structure would have lasted perhaps a dozen shots before falling apart. Spiking the cannon would have been the quickest method -- wedge a metal spike in the fuse hole and shear it off flush to the barrel. Otherwise, double shotting the cannon and tripling the powder would probably cause some grief -- just like it did in Last Bastion of Empire. :)
 
Thanks LD :)

I was contemplating the spiking, but thought perhaps it would be too much if the cavalry came prepared with hammer and nails on what was supposed to be a raiding of a supply train :D

As to the actual game, as I stated before I lost my notes (thanks god for good memory :)) but what happened was this:

I had small army 10-15.000 in Thrace that managed to inflict great losses on the Turk before being removed to the neighbouring province.

In Macedonia I had my main army 30-35.000 and my only leader, Konstantine, who came up against Mehmet and a smaller Turkish army of some 25.000 and still lost, but mostly due to bad morale, as they actually only lost a couple of thousand men :rolleyes:

Next install coming up soon I hope :)

V
 
Valdemar said:
Thanks LD :)

I was contemplating the spiking, but thought perhaps it would be too much if the cavalry came prepared with hammer and nails on what was supposed to be a raiding of a supply train :D

In Macedonia I had my main army 30-35.000 and my only leader, Konstantine, who came up against Mehmet and a smaller Turkish army of some 25.000 and still lost, but mostly due to bad morale, as they actually only lost a couple of thousand men :rolleyes:

Next install coming up soon I hope :)

V
Bad morale can really break your... er... morale...

The cavalry certainly don't have to carry hammers and spikes. I'm sure lots of carpentry material would be found around the cannon site. Afterall, they have to build platforms and breastworks. I'm sure there would be lots of paraphernalia laying about that would be of use.

Looking forward tot he next installment.
 
Well Erik, I've had an absolutely delightful time reading through this from the beginning. I vaguely recalled reading the first few instalments and I must say that you've done a great (if slow) job in developing this into a really engaging, well-written story. The characters certainly breath with their own life and the battle scenes and other goings-on are generally excellent.

I agree with those who've suggested that you do a little more proof-reading for typos and such, fix up some awkward punctuation here and there, and be cautious about mixing verb tenses (and I concur with Bruce's comment re trimming out some "the's", etc.) but that would be simply the icing on the cake...a cake which is already truly delicious.

Given the nature of the story, I would also urge you to do some pretty intensive research since that allows you to work "real life" in far more seamlessly and avoid making the odd historical reference error that someone who's familiar with the subject would find a little disruptive to the flow. At one point a dozen or so instalments ago, for instance, you refer to the Sipahis as the "cream of the Turkish army"...something that would have cost you your head if a passing Janissary happened to overhear you. :D Again, I'm not complaining about it particularly...just thinking that it could further enhance the AAR.

If I can add my 2 cents worth re the cannons...since it was necessary to build platforms for them perhaps a cavalry tactic would be to try to burn them (pitch and torches come to mind) and hope that they would sustain damage as they fall (or at very least make them inopperable until new platforms could be built). Plan B...the cannons need powder to fire so the cavalry might just as easily be directed to destroy the powder supply by setting the storage tents for it on fire and burning the lot of it. Then they'd only need to carry some torches along with them (and possibly make the supreme sacrifice to get it started).

Anyway, I'm really impressed with the way your technique has improved over the months and how fluidly you are writing these days.

Bravo!
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Well lets settle the cannonthing once and for all, :D

The idea that I had hoped would have carried through was for the cavalry to come by the cannons while raiding the supply train far from the main siege place, before the siege was even properly setup, thus they came upon carriages, sledges and wagons en route so to speak, and burned what could burn, carried off what they might need and tried otherwise destroy things the best way possible. I think I had them burn the carriages and then roll the things into the river, if the fire was hot enough I guess the cooling off would damage them?

What happened in game terms was that the force that pushed me away from Thrace had tow of their three cannons destroyed.

As to the punctuation, yes I know I know :D I'm guilty of partly using Danish, partly the meagre english I know, and partly what in Danish is called "speaking or pausing punctuation, a form that is made to convey the way you would pause and emphasise while speaking :)

As to typos I'm guilty as charged, I type as I think and if MS word doesn't catch then I may not discover ti until later :D

The historicity I guess you have a point, though I seem to recall the Sipahis being made up of minor nobles and landowners in exchange for their rights to the land? A haughty and proud group, then may not have been THE best soldiers of the Empire, but they surely held themselves in high esteem?

Either way I'm deeply gratefull for your critique and I take it to heart whether I'm to lazy to follow the advise or not :D

Now that you've manged to read it all in one setting you may have noticed a shift from very detailed plot driven story focused on the single characters towards a more story telling broader scope?

This is partly because I realized that the detailed style simply would wear me out before I even finished the first part of my plotline, and partly because I found the battle oriented scenes increasingly difficult not only to convey from a single person(s)'s viewpoint, but also to keep it fresh in a phase were progressively more of the story turns around the battles, it was avery tense time for the Empire :D

V
 
i just read the last update with the battle and it was good, I love how you lead up to the battle, the painful anticipation of waiting, armies massing etc. Then the painful realization the battle is lost and to retreat. Good perspective.
 
Chapter 8 part IV

The Marshall walked around his pavilion like a caged animal, unable to find rest after the humiliating defeat.

The worst part had not been the unexpected venture from the beleaguered city, nor the loss of morale amongst his men, or even that they had out numbered the enemy and stood in prepared defensive positions. Not even the fact that they had lost almost no men in the battle and the retreat could faze him, that could be attributed to facing a vaunted general and his superiorly trained troops.

No what kept him up at night was the fact that the Ottomans hadn’t given chase. They had merely been content to chase him from the filed and then stay in Macedonia rebuilding the city, securing the countryside. His scouts were quite clear on this, the enemy was not preparing to come after him, not even as much as a token force of Sipahi had followed them once they had cleared that plain, his painstaking defensive preparations of the final river crossing into Mora had been in vain, nobody but their own actions had ambushed them.

Nothing.

Nothing at all, it was as if the Sultan didn’t expect him to cause any trouble. He had briefly hoped it was respect or fear, but upon reflection it had turned out it was nothing but disregard, no defense had been set in place, apart from the usual patrols the Turk did nothing to prepare for a possible return of the glorious Roman army.

Nothing, they simply didn’t fear him at all. The Sultan was obviously content to keep him from pillaging the countryside.

To rub it in further messengers had arrived from Constantinople, messengers that had nothing but praise of the small army and the Grandeur of Arn. If he was to believe everything they told, then the young son of the former Captain off the guard had managed to pull of an amazing feat destroying the Ottoman siege trains, and killing off regiment upon regiment of elite Janissaries and Sipahis apparently at will, luring them into traps without loosing a single man.

The official dispatches were more moderate in their choice of words, but they could not hide the fact that Arn had been successful were he had not, despite the odds, and Konstantinos had the distinct feeling the dispatches had been heavily edited for their choice of words before reaching him, the Emperor’s brother.

Slowly he stopped pacing, whatever politics were being played with him and the dispatches as pawns, he still had an assignment, he had to dislodge the Sultan and take Macedonia and hopefully diverting the attention away from the walls of his beloved city.

He turned towards the entry and summoned a sentry, “Call for a meeting one hour past noon.” The guard saluted and left and the marshal returned to his table and the scattered scout reports and maps there.

Sun had started its descend towards the west when all officers were finally assembled around a large table in the center of the pavilion.

“Gentlemen, I wager you’ve all heard the rumors, all heard what the messenger had to say?”

Nods around the table, “Well I cannot confirm all the wild stories, but the dispatches confirms the gist of it, the young general have accomplished what we couldn’t do.” A sigh, as wary as they were of this new commander it was nevertheless a bitter drink to swallow.

“As great however as his victory may be it will only buy the city so much time, we need to act gentlemen before the Turk turns the valiant effort of the young general into a phyrric victory.”

The Marshal started pacing the room again, “We need to stop them from supplying the siege from Macedonia,”

He reached the pavilion wall and turned, “we need to diminish their troops,”

Another tent wall another turn, “and we need them to fear us, to break their morale,”

He turned back towards the table; “We need to put the fear of God into them.”

He saw fire rising in their eyes, but also doubt and fear, they had not forgotten their defeat and it would take more than a rousing speech from him to change the hearts of the men, even if his officers saw it his way. He looked at them one by one.

“We cross the river again within one week. Before they can repair the walls properly, before the Sultan can scourge the countryside for supplies and men.” He looked across the table out through the open tent upon the fertile river valley, “before the harvest replenish their stores.”
 
Chapter 8, Part V

The river crossing went unopposed and soon the Roman cavalry was scouting in advance of the army as it moved at a quick pace towards the Turkish camp.

The Marshall hoped the high speed and the far-flung cavalry forces together with the quick invasion would quell any enemy patrols and prevent the Sultan from readying his army.

The first day’s march went as planned, the cavalry could report of only light activity and only one enemy patrol had been spotted and eliminated.

As the army moved on towards the last known location of the Sultan, the enemy activity increased as could be expected, but the cavalry managed to contain most of them. It was likely that the Sultan now knew that they were in the province, but hopefully he was unaware of their position and most importantly that this was the entire force, not just a raiding party.

The day finally dawned when the secret could be kept no longer. The last action between the cavalry and their nimble adversaries had almost had the character of a minor battle and too many Sipahis had survived to tell the tale. As the sun sank behind them Konstantinos ordered the army to march through the night at half speed in order to catch the Ottomans before they prepared, hoping fervently that the exhaustion would not hamper his men too seriously.

As the sun rose the following morning over the Ottoman camp the Muslim warriors were greeted by the sight of the Christian army arrayed in battle formations on the low rise close to the city.

Camped in the shadow of the city walls the Sultan had no choice than to order his army into defensive formation, the city left him no room to maneuver.

Konstaninos waited for the sun to disperse the deep shadow below the wall, he wanted to see the enemy, and then he sounded the signal. As a massive wall of steel and flesh the infantry rolled down the gentle slope towards the waiting Turk. The enemy was haphazardly thrown into formations and only the Janissary appeared to have been able to get their lines straight before the battle.

The armies crashed and locked in a deadly struggle for supremacy. Both sides spared the cavalry for exploiting weaknesses, but soon they were caught in a game of cat and mouse trying to lure the opponent into a trap or uncover a flank of the infantry.

Konstantinos sat on his horse in front of the main cavalry force surveying the battle hoping prying that the shock would make up for the lack of training and morale in his army, what better way to make them believe than presenting them with a superior position to attack from?

Suddenly he saw it, the flaw the weakness in the Ottoman defense. Right below him, in the center, tow auxiliary regiments were being pushed in to cover a gap were two veteran companies had unlinked to the Janisarries on both sides. His men had disintegrated the veterans, but were being overwhelmed by the sheer number of auxiliaries and the gap would be plugged in no time, unless...

“General order those two formations to part ways at my signal,” he pointed towards the two formations in front of the Turkish reordering. The General nodded and a messenger on a fast horse shot forward towards the battle.

The young Marshall, the Emperor’s brother, signaled for his standard-bearer to lift the golden and purple pennant high and as he did a low clanking went through the ranks as hundreds of horsemen lowered their visors and adjusted their arms. Konstantinos followed the messenger with his eyes as he sped first to the left then to the right formation. Once he was satisfied that everything was in order he raised his hand.

Looking again to the filed to make certain he was right, he let his arm chop down and dug his heels into the flanks of his mount. The horse neighed in protest but moved forward at a trot followed by the rest of the cavalry.

A low rumble gave away their intentions even before the horse could be seen to move but it was not possible for the sultan to see the intended point of attack. Konstantinos managed to see further reinforcements being called forward by the Turk, then they entered the low dip at the bottom of the hill and all he could see was the men in front of them.

His own infantry before him parted like the red sea and the young Marshall felt a sudden awe. Then the view of the enemy auxiliaries opened up and he felled his lance feeling more than seeing that the men around him did the same.

Like a scythe of death the heavy Roman cavalry cut through the opposing forces opening up a gap in their lines. Behind him his generals committed whatever cavalry was occupied on the flanks to the charge and sent in the infantry reserves to follow up the charge and strengthen the infantry lines.

A low cheer rose from his tired men as they saw what he had wrought only to replaced by another rumble. Konstantinos was unable to see it, but he was later told what happened.

Just as his cavalry was fully engaged the Turk skillfully released his own horses, a force larger by far than what had been expected. They cut into the unprotected infantry reserves as they crossed form the marshalling point to the battle and then the Sipahis turned towards the rear of the Roman lines.

The Roman lines began to grumble even as they pushed through the hole in the Turkish line. The battle became a race against time, who would crumble first, the Turkish infantry, giving the Romans time to fight the Cavalry, or the Roman infantry, releasing the Ottoman forces to contain the peril in their midst.

Konstantinos saw the turmoil around him and knew he would have only moments before the ordered lines of the attack would disintegrate, he looked about and saw not far ahead the colorful forest of pennants and flags denoting the Sultan’s presence.

Lifting his arm and standing in the stirrups he pointed towards them, and bellowed

“To me To me, we charge the sultan.”

The remaining cavalry flocked around him and in a final effort pulled out of the quagmire of broken infantry and charged with their young Marshall, the last heir of the Royal family, towards the throng of Ottoman Generals and courtiers.

The cream of Roman nobility, the last remnants of the vaunted Roman army hacked and slashed their way through the Ottoman infantry, diminishing in numbers for every foot they gained. Behind them the Infantry realized the sacrifice of the cavalry and pressed further into the Ottoman lines, locking them, preventing them from coming to the aid of the Sultan.

The Cavalry finally broke through the infantry lines; ahead lay only the Sultan and his household guards, a regiment of Janissaries. Konstantinos spurred on his horse and raised his sword, his lance broken long ago in the initial charge. His men yelled at the top of their lungs and followed.

The Janissaries received the charge with competence and once again the cavalry was bogged down in a man-to-man struggle. Konstantinos dispatched a Turk with his sword and looked about, he could almost reach the Ottoman nobles, but not quite, he was amazed to see that the Sultan still remained, but then again, where should he go.

With a final effort he managed to break through and he charged at the young Sultan. Mehmet deftly blocked the first stroke, but the pure force of the young Marshall barreling into him on his horse forced him backwards dropping his ornate helmet. Konstantinos could vaguely hear the cries of dismay from the Janissaries and the low cheer from his own force.

Pressing his advantage he swung again on the bare head of the Sultan. Again the Sultan blocked, but the blade glanced of and hit him on the thigh quickly reddening his pure white silk.

Catching a blow on his dented shield the Marshall almost flung his sword sideways and below the raised arm of the Sultan. Mehmet coughed once as the blade bit into his side and then toppled from the saddle.

For a moment everything seemed to stop. A hush fell on the battlefield; the only sound heard was the crying of the wounded and the battle at the flanks too far away to have noticed.

Then everything started to happen very fast. The Janissaries flocked around the fallen body pushing the Romans away by sheer force, not trying to fight them, the Romans cheered and roused only to be met by an odd silent determination from the Ottomans.

What should have boosted the Roman army, and broken the Turkish morale had the opposite effect.

Heedless of their own safety the Turks counterattacked. Masses of Turkish infantry threw themselves at the Romans slowly forcing them backwards. The Ottomans suffered horrible casualties as the Romans fought back with a dying man’s despair, but still they came.

Finally as the battle moved from the walls and unto the plain, the Romans broke and were forced from the field running haphazardly towards the borders, leaving their wounded and dead behind.

As the night fell Konstantinos were able to gather a small part of the army in relative order and calm and survey the disaster. The Ottoman had been to worn out to pursue, and only time would tell how much his army were left. He knew the Ottomans had suffered equally hard, especially in that last effort, but the battle would still go down in history as lost, even if he had indeed managed to kill the Sultan.

Within a week the young Marshall was back in Morea ready to report another failure to seize Macedonia from the Turk.
 
It is a shame that the young marshall didn't capture Macedonia... but this time! Konstantinos even showed a nice leadership, looking for better locations to attack from but, unfortunatelly, the ottomans expelled the brave Roman army with numbers.

What a situation! And what a shame... better luck next time!
:p
 
Once more into the breach! :D

nice update.:)
hopefully you will get those pagans next time
 
Well if you actually managed to kill Mehmet then the next time you attack you should succeed. I would think so, anyway....
 
Finally caught up, and must say I missed a great update in between and a primer about the great cannons of Mehmet. :)

Great writing, and I can read your frustration that you had when being beat back repeatedly by the Turks in game from the story, well done. :)