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CO didn't tell us how many busses actually will be included before or during the polls. Only that there will be more than one.
True, but I think it was pretty clear when they merged the trams/metros/trolleys/waterbus that at most there would only be one of each of those vehicles types. Even still, the fact there was multiple buses means there was more leeway for compromise....anyway, whats done is done.
The Nova LFS all the way. I moved from a city that uses the New Flyer series exclusively (Philadelphia) and not only were they rather unappealing to the eye they were also VERY uncomfortable to ride as the seats were small and hard, plus the window placements were too high and the floor too low (though they were the first LF buses that I rode on a nearly daily basis). The hybrid versions (diesel+battery) are extremely quiet, though.
*Apparently SEPTA knows it, because from checking SEPTA's site, they're replacing their old Neoplan articulated fleet with articulated Nova LFS buses, and some of their older New Flyers with the non-articulated version of the Nova Bus. Huh...
Regarding the NABIs, I have a personal grudge against North American Bus Industries. New Jersey bought 1,174 NABI 46-inchers to replace their 20+ year old Flxible fleet, and there were constant problems with them ever since - the doors would pop off, the engines would cut out, they leaked when it rained or when the air conditioning was on, and the PA systems would cut out. I can't count how many times passengers (myself included) had to leave the buses when they broke down during the first three years of service (from 2009). Even worse, NABI wouldn't give NJT favorable warranties on them - more evidence that they built them as quickly and as cheaply as possible regardless of safety so they could pocket the State's and the Fed's cash.
NJ can't run low-floor buses due to predominately hilly terrain, but they had better options than NABI as a high-floor vehicle of choice...
The Nova Bus though, served both cities well throughout the years. The engines on the 1980s and 1990s series were REALLY loud (since I was a kid I loved the Novas but I hated their engines) , but they were fun to ride with better seats and tinted windows, plus they were descendants of the "fishbowl" look. The current and upcoming models look REALLY classy.
It's no surprise that the Nova option is winning by a landslide. Let's hope that should CO put them in the game, their attributes will reflect their real-world counterparts fairly (speed, service, etc.).
*Apparently SEPTA knows it, because from checking SEPTA's site, they're replacing their old Neoplan articulated fleet with articulated Nova LFS buses, and some of their older New Flyers with the non-articulated version of the Nova Bus. Huh...
Regarding the NABIs, I have a personal grudge against North American Bus Industries. New Jersey bought 1,174 NABI 46-inchers to replace their 20+ year old Flxible fleet, and there were constant problems with them ever since - the doors would pop off, the engines would cut out, they leaked when it rained or when the air conditioning was on, and the PA systems would cut out. I can't count how many times passengers (myself included) had to leave the buses when they broke down during the first three years of service (from 2009). Even worse, NABI wouldn't give NJT favorable warranties on them - more evidence that they built them as quickly and as cheaply as possible regardless of safety so they could pocket the State's and the Fed's cash.
NJ can't run low-floor buses due to predominately hilly terrain, but they had better options than NABI as a high-floor vehicle of choice...
The Nova Bus though, served both cities well throughout the years. The engines on the 1980s and 1990s series were REALLY loud (since I was a kid I loved the Novas but I hated their engines) , but they were fun to ride with better seats and tinted windows, plus they were descendants of the "fishbowl" look. The current and upcoming models look REALLY classy.
It's no surprise that the Nova option is winning by a landslide. Let's hope that should CO put them in the game, their attributes will reflect their real-world counterparts fairly (speed, service, etc.).
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Well, 1,174 in one order is allot to a manufacturer. Keep in mind NABI was also building large orders of Metro 45Cs for Los Angeles at the time. And if NJT had a fleet of 20+ year old buses, NJT was probably pressuring them to hurry up. NABI was also the only manufacturer that still made high-floor buses. Orion's Orion V would have been the only other option, but Orion quit production of the high floor Orion V a year or two before, IIRC. The Orion V is more of a piece of crap than any other bus I've ever seen. Foothill Transit here in LA are having a tough time with them, having nearly 3 times as many road calls as the NABIs in the fleet.
I always hear good things about Nova Bus, but they by far the most hideous looking bus in North America, behind the hideous box that is the non-BRT styled Gillig Advantage. The LFS has a ridiculous front overhang.
The C40LFR is one of my all time faves(obviously), but I have to disagree about NABI. NABI is a staple here in Los Angeles, and the NABI 60 BRTs specifically have served us pretty well. Not to mention that their 2012-present offerings are absolutely superb. Santa Monica's NABI 60 BRTs are some of the nicest buses around. The NABI Metro 45C Compobus is probably the toughest bus to ever hit streets, and is probably my top bus behind the C40LFR.
I think Xcelsior is probably the best aesthetically looking bus
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I have driven the Flyer and I love it! The Orion V was one of my favorites to drive as well! That bus can actually get up and go!
So, this DLC will only have articulated buses? I actually like the Nova articulated! Can CO just tell us how we can mod/make the buses ourselves?
This poll (and the other one with the two european buses) is contrary to my understanding of democracy. The community has chosen five vehicles as their favourites and just because some people don't like the results you're doing two more polls ... why didn't you decided to create a second PlayersChoiceDLC with non-european vehicles ??? This would have been way much better than your solution ... there are too many people who are waiting for the BerlinUndergroundTrain-Series H0 since CiM1 ... so what's with that ??? Nothing ... you just took this train out of the successful voting-result. "Maybe for another DLC" ... yeah, I don't believe in that. And that sucks.
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Yeah, these additional polls really feel like a slap into my face. Especially that there's a poll between the two (by far) most voted vehicles (!) feels like a bad joke! Sorry, but that's not the way voting results use to be treated...
I'm very sorry you feel that way, unfortunately even without the additional polls the Berlin Series HK metro train wouldn't have made it in the DLC, since Ikarus bus got much more votes. We wanted to add 3 buses, since those got the most votes. Unfortunately we can make only one vehicle DLC at this point, but promise we'll keep the HK in mind for the future.
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