As per Johan's post "The Flavor Tiers", there are only 7 countries with tier 1 flavor in Europa Universalis 5.
These countries are:
This, in my opinion, is not at all acceptable. Besides the fact that it is completely unimmersive to have Fr*nce
and the inbred Habsburg country
on the same tier as England
, the Ottomans
, and China 中国
社会信用点
, it also feels incredibly bad to have the developers state that they're doing completely new Tinto Flavors every week and having over 60+ countries with a supposedly high level of flavor, only for them to have less than 200 dynamic historical events and 100 unique research advances each, making them all basically the same.
It's not only those things. It is also event backgrounds, graphical unit archetypes, and countless other details that really add to the flavor and experience of playing different nations in wholly different regions of the world.
And we can't get tier 1 flavor for every country on release because what? It's reserved for DLC content? Because they know it'll sell? I can understand doing that for specific "nations" like Fr*nce, but having whole, massive portions of the world lack tier 1 flavor is jarring. They are holding themselves to good standards when it comes to other things, why is this an exception? Are we going to be resold Emperor, Lions of the North and Leviathan content packs again? Like they resold DLC for CK3?
I'm not an expert in the topic, but at the very least I would've expected Ulm and Ryukyu to have tier 1 flavor as well.
These countries are:
- Fr*nce
- England
- Ottomans
- Castile / Spain
- Muscovy / Russia
- Austria
- Yuán / China
This, in my opinion, is not at all acceptable. Besides the fact that it is completely unimmersive to have Fr*nce












It's not only those things. It is also event backgrounds, graphical unit archetypes, and countless other details that really add to the flavor and experience of playing different nations in wholly different regions of the world.
And we can't get tier 1 flavor for every country on release because what? It's reserved for DLC content? Because they know it'll sell? I can understand doing that for specific "nations" like Fr*nce, but having whole, massive portions of the world lack tier 1 flavor is jarring. They are holding themselves to good standards when it comes to other things, why is this an exception? Are we going to be resold Emperor, Lions of the North and Leviathan content packs again? Like they resold DLC for CK3?
I'm not an expert in the topic, but at the very least I would've expected Ulm and Ryukyu to have tier 1 flavor as well.
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