As the monarch of a Christian Orthodox state, will you be able to organize a crusade?
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Well, I hope so.
Although I can't think of any examples of a Orthodox Christian Crusade, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have.
EU, EU2, CK and the like are just simulators and shouldn't base all the possibilites on what actually did happen. These games should allow us to explore many possibilities of what could have happened.
Although I can't think of any examples of a Orthodox Christian Crusade, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have.
EU, EU2, CK and the like are just simulators and shouldn't base all the possibilites on what actually did happen. These games should allow us to explore many possibilities of what could have happened.
Why would ? A Cruade was something specificly that Urban called.
I mean as an Orthodox ruler, you can be more then just the Emperor of Byzantium guys, you can dow Muslims and conquer them and stuff but it wont be a "crusade"
I mean as an Orthodox ruler, you can be more then just the Emperor of Byzantium guys, you can dow Muslims and conquer them and stuff but it wont be a "crusade"
I remember Novgorod fighting campaigns in Pagan Finland with just about the same religious vigour as Sweden.
Grosshaus said:
Fact that orthodox states were conquering pagans who were their neighbours doesn't mean that it were crusades, especially if we're talking about crusades in more stricter meaning as expeditions which main ideological target was to liberate Christian holy places. So I hope that crusade in such meaning will be available only for catholics.
Dzoser said:
I evoke the "fun before all, and history out of the window if neccesary" rule
Reinar Erlund said:I evoke the "fun before all, and history out of the window if neccesary" rule
For me fun in games such as CK is not to be able to doing anything but to be able to do many things within accurate restrictions.
So I don't want to be able to reestablish pharaoh state by conquering Egypt and choosing one of event's options. Ramesses XII Big Nose would be great but out of sense :rofl:
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The Patriarch of Rome (Spruce said:I the pope can call for a campaign,
why can't a Patriarch call for a campaign,
) is the only one who called Crusades, historically. 
Havard said:The Patriarch of Rome (
So are we being historical then? I thought you said it was fun before history. Otherwise I want to see other things made historically correct too.
Especially if Byzantine Empire, as is historical, cannot declare crusades, then it should also, historically correctly, have no feudal vassals and instead rule all lands directly.
Byzantium needs no Crusade. For them, it is retaking land taken from them in the distant past. What need is there for declaring a holy war when a purely secular one will suffice?
Solmyr said:
If that is indeed the situation in the game (feudal vassals, etc.), I plan on working on a mod to fix it after the game is released. Perhaps even a community mod project, if there is enough support.
a crusade is not a venture undertaken to increase the power of a feudal ruler,
a crusade is a must do rite in which an individual sells many of his property to finance an expedition, united under one banner. The pope called for this crusade and the banner was gods banner.
If the Patriarch of Const. or Rome would say = we need to protect our holy sites and therefore whe must gather under one holy banner the most noble of all soldiers who are willingl to sell their properties to join this holy mission,
stilll a crusade tough
a crusade is a must do rite in which an individual sells many of his property to finance an expedition, united under one banner. The pope called for this crusade and the banner was gods banner.
If the Patriarch of Const. or Rome would say = we need to protect our holy sites and therefore whe must gather under one holy banner the most noble of all soldiers who are willingl to sell their properties to join this holy mission,
stilll a crusade tough
Why go through the complications of a Crusade when you can simply declare a war of retribution and reciprocity, and re-take what was formerly Byzantine territory? The Emperor has no need to instruct the Patriarch to call for Crusade, and hence no threat of the Patriarch getting any undue amount of power out of the arrangement.
Swedish, German and Danish crusades around Baltic Sea had little to do with rites or selling of property: they were trips for plundering and conquest of heathens which just had papal blessing. Sometimes acquired after they had been done. Little or no religious zeal was involved in the minds of those soldiers. I fail to see the difference between similar treks done by Novgorodians.
They did not rule all their lands directly. They had a system of themes which were apointed by the Emperor. Thus it is not unreasonable to use a model to represent the different themes through 'vssalage' to the Emperor.
Grosshaus said:
???
Godfried from Bouillon - a famous vassal - sold his castle and much of his property to finance his participation in the crusade (weaponry, horses, supplies) for he and his fellowship,
I recall reading a book about Richard the Lionheart who also ensisted that his vassals sold their property to finance the endeavour,
those guys sacrificed a lot and their action was based on religious belief - not just selling some litte acre...no selling their castle and lands! The thing you are talking about is more of a bunch of plundering bandits with papal blessing (or call it, endulgement), not a crusade,