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Ottomans Unleashed

I haven't done an AAr in ages but I felt I might try to give it a shot with For the Glory coming out as it made me feel nostalgic about my ancient Eu2 AAr experiences. Anyways here are the settings:

-No mods will be used, just the plain Grand Campaign scenario of For the Glory
-Difficulty: Very Hard and Furious (so I will have to keep an eye on my BB)
-Country of choice: Ottoman Empire
-Aims: Well... let's get my rusty skills up to date and try to push myself to the maximum, I'll go where the game takes me. Mind you, I'm not going to go on mindless 'annexfest' in the first years as I'll want to avoid BB wars for the beginning.

About the AAr type, I guess it will be a mix of descriptive and game play types spiced with some pictures. So let's roll.

Chapter 1​

As we all know in 1419 the Ottoman Empire starts of with a good share of the Balkans and a decent size of Anatolia. I have got cores up to Hungary in the West, to the Southernmost bits of Poland and to George in the North, to the Caspian sea on the East, and all over the way to Egypt, and Egypt itself of course. This will make the initial expansions easy, or at least easier, but for the first century I will have to and I will want to watch my BB limit. After that, who knows? Anatolia is full of Turkish minors and that offers me good opportunities. Also, having played Eu2 for years and being interested in history makes you familiar with a lot of events in the game (unless the triggers have been changed around in FtG) therefore I know that there are some juicy consequences if I annex Constantinople so I decide the sooner I do it the better it is. However, there is one slight problem with that, they have more, so I will wait for the right moment to grab the old city.

Before going to war I use my DP click on a move towards Offensive Doctrine so that I can get a nice morale and eventually a shock bonus. I set my research fully towards infrastructure, let's get those tax collectors as fast as I can. For the time being I only need to do these domestic wise so I shall utilize my 60k standing army. Well I would utilize them but I only got one diplomat thus I figured the best would be to disband all those silly pieces of artillery and a good share of the starting infantry so I can stay under my support limit. Now I position the rest of my troops against my two province Southern neighbour, Karaman, and I declare war. They have no armies yet so I just overwhelm them and start besieging their provinces. As soon as I get my next diplomat I declare war on Teke, too. Teke is a one province minor with a small standing army. They are perfectly ideal to a quick war. After Karaman surrenders in February of 1420 (they gave up all their money and became a vassal of mine) I attack Teke with my armies. They won their first battle but their army got annihilated in the second clash. The siege takes long but peace is concluded in late 1421 (same terms as with Karaman: treasury and vassalship). During the war I accept the alliance offer of Ak Koyunlu with hopes that I can go on a diplo-vassalize spree on them but as it will turn out I'll regret my decision soon.

In 1422 my allies decide to attack my vassal Karaman and they call me to arms. I refuse their invitation and lose one stab point. Mind you, its better than loosing five or six times more with declaring war on my vassal with whom I have a truce. So the whole alliance thing was good for me getting ripped of a stability point. Whatever, as I look around I notice that Byzantine has been reduced to just its capital so I mobilize my whole army for action. On August 1st, 1422, I declare war on the infidels with my whole army in Macedonia and my navy blocking Thrace. Swift victory follows, I can annex them a year later. In the following year three events fires. (Fate of the Patriarchate, The city of Men's Desire, The economic reforms of Mehmed II's) I'll let the Patriarchate to exist but I appoint a new Patriarch, break the now useless agreements with Venice and Genoa and finally I move my capital to Thrace.

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In the following years I promoted tax collectors everywhere and cemented my position. My first vassal, Karman, lost a province to Dulkadir but as a twist of fate Dulkadir's old capital has declared independence so Dulkadir moved to my neighbourhood. Also, the rebels were Orthodox so I basically had a free chance to dow them. However, before I could move the infidels annexed a small minor nearby and that gave me an idea. An alliance was a made with my other vassal, Teke and I dowed both sides of the Dulkadir conflict (note: Karaman was already at war with them). My armies were to take out the non-vassal armies and then ideally my vassals, whether they are in my alliance or not, would exploit the situation and grab provinces freeing my from unnecessary badboy hits. The plan worked, Teke took a province off from Aleppo and Karaman annexed Dulkadir. This was all done by the last months of 1437 and the next two years have been spent with boosting up the relations with Teke, preparing them for a diplo-annexation. I manage to annex them for the first try thus expanding my wee empire with two provinces and additional troops.

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A quick start with the Turks. Good luck. Let's see how long it takes to get to Vienna. ;)
 
Hint for all Turks: Ignore Malta :D
 
Ottomans were always a favorite of mine to play. Good luck.

Joe
 
argument? :)

I guess stnylan is referring the Siege of Malta (1565) and the fact that the islands of Malta most likely can sustain only a small amount of troops without attrition. In original EU2 Malta was quite a nightmare to conquer for a small island if you didn´t have a lot of troops supported by artillery and you can´t assault against the fort in Malta. Building a large fort in Malta will make it extremely difficult to conquer.
 
I guess stnylan is referring the Siege of Malta (1565) and the fact that the islands of Malta most likely can sustain only a small amount of troops without attrition. In original EU2 Malta was quite a nightmare to conquer for a small island if you didn´t have a lot of troops supported by artillery and you can´t assault against the fort in Malta. Building a large fort in Malta will make it extremely difficult to conquer.
Pretty much. There are good historical and in-game reasons to ignore Malta :)
 
To everyone - Thanks and welcome aboard!

coz1 - About Vienna.. so far I disappointed myself with my game-play (last save game is from 1509 sept) but let's just credit it to FtG's AI being more clever and the striking random events than to my skills being rusty. :p

stnylan - I hope I will be able to provide a good counter-example to your hint. :p

stnylan and Finnish Dragon - Well with adequate naval blockade it wasn't.. I mean its not that hard to beat up the Knights.

matt12th - Its available from 1510.. so guess you can figure it out why my last save is from late 1509. :D

And now to write an update.
 
Ottomans Unleashed

Chapter 2​

After annexing Teke in 1439 nothing interesting has happened for years. The only exception was the successful attempt to diplo-vassalize Candar in 1443. From that point up until 1451 nothing happened. Nothing good to be honest, there were of course countless random stabhit events and a few rebellions that not even Murad II could handle with his shock value of 5 for a while. By 1451 I gradually improved relations with Karaman and after Mehmed II's started reigning I took a shot at diplo-annexing them.. with success. A month later my interest shifts from promoting tax collectors in the newly acquired territories to the East, and I notice that Trebizond is the vassal of Ak Koyunlu but they are in separate alliances. What's more Trebizond lacks an army and as a consequence I declare war on them but I'm not moving any of my armies. As Candar is my faithful vassal they joined the war on my side so I'll just wait for them to attack Trebizond and I'll have them annex the Greeks once they are done with the siege. Why? To save myself from the unnecessary bad boy hit as I'll hopefully annex Candar through diplomacy later on. The plan goes according to the plan and Candar annexes Trebizond in 1452.

The next step is to vassalize Ak Koyunlu but against them I'll use force and not diplomacy. I send my declaration of war on the first of November, 1453. Ak Koyunlu is allied with the Mameluks, Tlemcen, Tunisia and the Golden Horde. As a counter measure I gave Mehmed II (5/6/5/1) 33,000 cavalrymen and I send them to the plains of Aleppo where an army of 20,000 from Ak Koyunlu and their allies are positioned. Slaughter ensues as there are no survivors but Mehmed's army. During the battle Ak Koyunlu tries to attack my other army in Angora. Angora is one of my provinces bordering them and has a garrison of 22,000 infantry who took up defensive positions in the mountains. But to make things sure, and to hopefully annihilate the attacking forces, I send back Mehmed with the cavalry to Angora to help the defending. Results are similar like in the other battle, not a single survivor from the other side. Now I can recommence attacking. I send my infantry army to the mountains of Sivas and I send the cavalry back to Aleppo. To my surprise the infantry army fails and to my disappointment the Mameluks have fielded an army of 70,000, mostly cavalry, against me and while I can take out 10,000 of the first half of their army in Aleppo Mehmed's army starts losing morale and I order a retreat for the survivors. I begin to rebuild my cavalry army while I order the remnants of the infantry army to withdraw to Konya from the besieged Angora when an events kicks in. It forces me to take two loans as I pay 400 ducats and a stability but in exchange I'm getting a conscription center in Istanbul with a +1 move towards centralization, -1 from aristocracy, and +2 towards quality. A great deal but not in the current state of the treasury and the country. Nevertheless I manage to gather 28,000 cavalry in Adana (near Aleppo). Angora is under siege by roughly 50,000 soldiers and the Mameluks are just about to send in another 30,000 to aid them. This sounds bad but the siege progress is still in the early yellow stage and just think about it. Its Anatolia in the 15th century and there are 80,000 people trying to take a minimal fort. Attrition. Deadly, deadly attrition. Therefore I move my cavalry to the place where they really belong to, the plains of Aleppo. The first thing I spot is Mameluk's 17,000 in Syria (plains) so I make my move.

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note: look at the AI reorganizing their armies after I win a battle in Syria

As you can see on the picture the Mameluks decide to engage my army heading to Aleppo which was a very big mistake on their part and a great thing for me. Mehmed triumphs again and shows no mercy. At this point Tlemcen realizes that they should bail out of the fair and they offer me 23 ducats which is almost nothing but I accept it so their ships won't be a problem later in this war. Angora still holds itself after almost two years of siege and I decide to try and rout the attackers. I order Mehmed's cavalry to attack and I also send in my infantry reserves to save Angora. The infantry however are not really needed as Mehmed is apparently on steroids and kills almost everyone of the hostile army. With a big hole (aka: almost no one left to defend Ak Koyunlu) on the front I decide its high time to counter-attack. Utilizing the good old 'besiege' and 'cover' commands during sieges I spread my troops so my dear Eastern neighbour is not able to raise troops. The results is Ak Koyunlu accepting vassalization in September, 1456. Now to deal with the Mameluks. I leave behind 1k infantries everywhere on my rout to Cairo to plunder and to block the Mameluks from raising troops behind my 'blitzkrieging' cavalry. Mehmed's objective after taking Cairo is not to win any provinces from them Mameluks (I can do that in 1510 easily) but to head straight to Tunisia. When Mehmed passed the border swiftly advancing to Tunis the Mameluks started destroying my little armies spread across their country so I figured it would be the best to take their treasury in a separate peace. I can only get 58 ducats but that is better than nothing. Tunisia wasn't hard to conquer I could even afford to start a conversion in Adana during my showdown with them. Tunisia soon accepted my peace proposal and became my vassal and as a token of goodwill transfered their treasury to Istanbul in 1460. In 1461 I reach infrastructure level 3 so I can theoretically build refineries from now on. Meanwhile I try to diplo-annex Candar twice, but they reject on both occasions though they wouldn't cancel the vassalization which is a really good thing. At that time it seemed that Athens figured that I'm having a tough time annexing Candar so they declared war on me. I move Mehmed's remaining cavalry to Macedonia to face the attacking army of Athens which is presumably mostly infantry. Here is the result:

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Seconds before probably my fastest order to withdrawn can be seen here.
 
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That could have had the potential to turn really nasty.
 
Ouch. Superior cavalry on the plains. That's gonna hurt...though you do have a general. ;)

Nice gains in this session.
 
Mehmed II (5/6/5/1)

You've got to love a military leader with stats like this! It's one of the reasons as Venice I'm staying away from this monster.;) Good work so far!:cool:

Joe
 
Ottomans Unleashed

Chapter 3​

Having seen the odds, surprisingly I managed to click back on Thrace fast enough to avoid any causalities of Mehmed's army but that meant that Athen's army could freely siege Macedonia, and from Macedonia they could have pushed into Anatolia. To avoid this, and to make myself flexible, I ordered my fleet to block the passage between Macedonia and Smyrna. At the same time I ordered my second army, led by Gedik Ahmed (3/5/4), to board the ship and attack Athens without encountering the cavalry army. There were a garrison of 3,000 Athenians but Gedik destroyed the whole army so the landing went smoothly. Athens, however, had a small fort and I was undermanned to siege it therefore I decided to march to Morea where I could start a siege. Meanwhile I was waiting for my census tax because the main army needed reinforcements. After January I could raise 11,000 more horseman and by May (1462) my morale was full just as the fort was about to fell so it was high time to relieve Macedonia. Mehmed won a decisive victory again, as I was hoping, he wiped out the entire Greek army. What's more he made a quick siege of Athens as the city fell in just 9 months. Gedik was also successful a few days after Mehmed meaning that Morea was secured as well. Earlier when the tide turned on my favour Venice attacked the Duchy and just as I was about to make peace they snatched Albania. I did not intend to vassalize a non-Sunni country so I just grabbed Morea and all the Greek ducats.

Meanwhile my fresh vassal, Ak Koyunlu, was waging war against Georgia and soon after I concluded a peace they made their own as they extended their control over Armenia. That was a very good thing to me: one more province for less BB. Anyway, after the victory I dared to try to attempt to diplo-annex Candar again, and this time I was lucky. As I was doing the usual tax collector promoting I noticed that I inherited an army of 30,000 and this time I was under my supply limit so there was no reason to disband any of the newly gained troops. Yay. Also, during the coming months I paid off my last loan and got news of the successful conversions of Adana and Rumelia. And just to top it all, Ak Koyunlu was at war again but this time they were waging war against the other Koyunlu to the East of them. Their war soon resulted in Daghestan getting into Ak Koyunlu's hands. What a lovely vassal.

In the next couple of years I barely did anything but trying to fight off the effects of the events because I got a fair share of the heretic and plague events. As the situation stabilized I got bored. To seek some fun I dowed Wallachia who dragged in their allies Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine. The main aim was to provide fun for Mehmed and Gedik and to rob the infidels of their money. Good old raiding. After I concluded the war I had a strange feeling that even despite the 300-400 ducat I won from it I had a negative balance due to all the troops lost but hey, at least I wasn't bored. Still, after the war I used the seemingly positive balance to start a conversion of Trabzon and Dobrudja. It was a half success as Trabzon converted but Dobrudja failed to do so therefore I gave them another go. Just as I clicked on 'ok' for converting Hungary declared war on me. Why? Apparently they conquered Bujak from Moldova so they could harass me, but it was pretty pointless because after their initial success they started to run low on troops, because they forgot to include a military access through Moldova to support the war against me. Tough luck. Mehmed soon destroyed the Hungarian armies and laid siege over Bujak. However, I soon faced the same problem as Hungary did, I couldn't really touch them. The best solution that came to my mind was to declare war on Moldova and force my way through. Moldova was still allied to Georgia but as a counter-measure I invited Ak Koyunlu to take care of them.

So Mehmed was sent to Buda to talk sense to the Hungarians but he only made a brief visit. Please draw your conclusions on the following picture.

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I decided it was the best to leave Hungary be and made a peace with Moldova as Ak Koyunlu wasn't doing well against Georgia so an alliance peace was called. After that my fellow Magyars found a way to harass me, they sent ships after ships and tried to land thus giving me enough WS in the process to be offered a good deal by Bohemia (Hungary's alliance leader). I used the 100d I got from Bohemia to boost my relations with my vassal but they didn't agreed to get annexed by me. Luckily they didn't decline the vassalization. A year later, however, their monarch with good diplo rating died so I gave it another try and succeeded. I finally pushed my borders to the Caspian Sea (Lake). A year later Mehmed passed away after beating almost everyone of his neighbours. His successor, Beyazid, had to face his younger brother's rebellion (4 in game revolts of 10k+). My conclusion is fighting rebels are boring. Then with Beyazid I tried to diplo-vassalize Astrakhan but failed repeatedly.

Having been disappointed by this failure I declared war on Qara Koyunlu but they gave me too much trouble for their size. After years of battles back and forth I finally managed to reduce the size of their armies of defending their very own mountains and just as I thought that I'm winning I discovered that they have a remote province that I need to take before I can make any reasonable peace, and unfortunately Mesopotamia (owning Iraq, blocking the way) wasn't very keen on giving me a military access. And then Wallachia and Georgia decided to dow me.

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But they didn't really care that I'm allied with Astrakhan and the Uzbeks..​