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I had a bunch of spare time suddenly, so I decided to compile information about every area in Africa. The attached PDF, or images, list every Area in Africa's location count, province count, and all relevant population Data we have. Hopefully this helps someone with their suggestions or research. If not, oh well it was fun to make.

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Wow... 1,138 locations total... that is very impressive!

... If you don't consider how 425 exist in Iberia alone, and Africa as a whole is 52 times larger... while it only has about 3 times the amount of locations. It's a bit telling of a few things, if you ask me.
 
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Wow... 1,138 locations total... that is very impressive!

... If you don't consider how 425 exist in Iberia alone, and Africa as a whole is 52 times larger... while it only has about 3 times the amount of locations. It's a bit telling of a few things, if you ask me.
It's really not.
There wasn't much there at the time period.
Comparable to Sami or Western Siberia, or Finland (maybe). Iron, some small "cities", no writing.
Not every civilization was equally impressive.
 
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To compliment this, here is a combined map I compiled a while back, with all of Africa's country tags & SOP tags as of most recent dev posts for each region.
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It's really not.
There wasn't much there at the time period.
Comparable to Sami or Western Siberia, or Finland (maybe). Iron, some small "cities", no writing.
Not every civilization was equally impressive.
Forgive my ignorance - are you telling me that they've found dozens of cities in Siberia with over 100,000 residents? How exciting! Would you be so kind as to forward me the sources for this? I'd love to read more about these settlements! I assume that must be what you're referring to in equating Africa to Siberia, of course, because anyone with even an elementary grasp on Africanist literature would certainly know that Africa was not lacking large-scale socio-political organisation. And surely only someone with a strong grasp on the literature would dare make such sweeping comparisons. Surely.

Wow... 1,138 locations total... that is very impressive!

... If you don't consider how 425 exist in Iberia alone, and Africa as a whole is 52 times larger... while it only has about 3 times the amount of locations. It's a bit telling of a few things, if you ask me.
It is, and this isn't really disputable if you ask me. The devs themselves have acknowledged that location (and, for that matter, population) distribution is a reflection of gameplay priorities over a strict adherence to what might be "historically accurate" per se. Fortunately, they've also confirmed that location density does not do much to affect development potential.
 
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It's really not.
There wasn't much there at the time period.
Comparable to Sami or Western Siberia, or Finland (maybe). Iron, some small "cities", no writing.
Not every civilization was equally impressive.
I'll try to keep this response simple. First of all the original point you were replying to was talking about the whole of Africa. If you deny that North Africa had a sophisticated civilization you're historically illiterate. Second, "no writing" is just blatantly false. Literacy spread with islam, so that you could find Arabic literature in the Mali Empire and the Swahili city states and so on, with occasional adaptation of the arabic script to vernacular languages. Ethiopia and Nubia also had their own written languages complete with unique writing systems, plus Greek and Coptic were used as additional literary languages in Nubia. The EU5 map already shows many settled countries across the continent, and they are not made up out of thin air. Although the map is definitely imperfect, paradox has made it clear that they have fairly strict criteria for adding settled countries.

I don't think anyone here has claimed that sub-saharan Africa was as advanced as Europe - I certainly don't. But it is simply ridiculous and ahistorical to say that there "wasn't much there" and it demonstrates your lack of knowledge about the region.
 
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Wow... 1,138 locations total... that is very impressive!

... If you don't consider how 425 exist in Iberia alone, and Africa as a whole is 52 times larger... while it only has about 3 times the amount of locations. It's a bit telling of a few things, if you ask me.
What significant things do you want africa to do in game, given it didnt achieve much in period, and locations matter less than pops (which sub saharan african will be terribly behind on)
 
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I think populaition is a lot more important than location density in this game. Obviously Africa is a huge continent but quite a lot of land area is taken up by the Sahara and parts of the Congo rainforest which were not densely habitated which makes the land area comparison a little misleading. If the population numbers are being low balled that is a concern but I think PDX has been pretty diligent in trying to reconstruct the numbers despite not having access to great records for a lot of areas.
 
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