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Steam is still DRM, same as Gamers Gate since you have to be online to install the game. And it look like Paradox will utilize Steamworks feature in their upcoming titles, so Steam (the client) set to be a fixed requirement.

Technically with Gamersgate if you keep the DL install folder, you do not need to be logged in to install the game if you deleted it from your system or wish to install it again. You are only loggin in to download it from your account.
 
In what way have you saved that money? And you have at least 2 Steam only games registered there, Magicka and SotS2, now that I look.
 
I like the digital distribution model, I don't even buy boxed games any more, but I don't like needing outside software to install and launch my games, especially software that thinks it knows what I want better than I do. If I needed someone to hold my hand and tell me what I like, I'd be typing this to you on an Apple.

Just to be clear, you don't need Steam to launch any of the PDS games on Steam, you can install the game and remove Steam if you like, although I'd recommend keeping it around for patches even if you don't run it. You don't need to buy through Steam either, plenty of sites like Amazon digital or Gamersgate also sell steam codes.

Obviously you may still decline, but you shouldn't miss out on our games due to bad information at least.
 
You know that will drive Alexspeed, SAS, Gigau, Veld et al. insane looking for those punch cards? :p

Well, one more reason to do it then I guess :)
 
By not buying your games for me or to give away like I used to.

But EUIV isn't even out yet and none of internal games have been Steam only so far. So you're not just not buying our Steam only games, you're not buying any of our games because we also had Steam versions? Actually, I have just noticed your "Steam is a cancer" sig, so the irrationality of your actions makes more sense now. It's an online games store, not a deadly disease.

You guys do what you want and I will continue to vote with my wallet. Cheers!:D

Doing that is fine, it was giving out terrible business advice and calling us cheap I objected to. I accept that some people don't want to use Steam, although I don't understand it, it doesn't bother me. What does bother me is when people insult or berate others for not following their belief, act as if their rejection of an everyday product or service makes them somehow superior to those who use it, or proclaim things to be bad based on false information. Unthinking irrational hatred also rubs me the wrong way, I guess.

What I would like to know is whether or not part of Steam's agreement with you guys is that your games MUST use a Steam-specific installer in order for your product to be carried and sold by them?

I have no inside info on the subject, as I'm not involved in that, but given a large part of Steam's function is streamlining and standardising the download/install/running of the games they sell I would imagine so.
 
Paradox now has "nothing to do" with Paradox games.

Don't be obtuse. If you bought one of our games in a brick and mortar store and they shortchanged you, would you come here and expect us to fix it? Of course not, it's a matter between you and the store.

The two quotes you post are answer to a poster asking about using Steam abroad:
Does anyone here have any experience with using and purchasing games on Steam from outside the country they sign up in? I currently live in Australia, but am planning on moving to the UK for 4-5 years quite soon. I was just signing up to Steam in order to redeem the free EU3 key when I noticed that I would be contracted with Valve US as opposed to Valve EU. From what I've read if you are outside of your home country then things with Steam can get a bit narky.

which is quite clearly a matter of Steam's internal policies and nothing we can give an official answer to here as we are not Steam.
 
Not to be offensive, but, if this was me, I'd have links ready.

Good for you, but I didn't say it was impossible to find this information, I said we don't speak for Steam, and any information you get here will be 2nd hand at best. Someone had already suggested the user contact Steam support in his thread, and he'd already done so before me and AndrewT made our posts.
 
for the record, steam was by far the biggest for us since we started selling there.. has nothing to do with magicka.
 
If I need Steam to play multiplayer or get a patch, there's just no way... even if EU4 came with a beautiful Swedish lady who wished to satisfy all my desires.

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And so we arrive at yet another multi page steam thread.

Here is the thing guys, there are 3 camps.

A) Anti Steam camp, do not want it on their comp under any circumstances, and no amount of name calling or "reasoned, articulate explanationtion" of why they should want it, or why it is a good thing, or why it is good for Paradox will ever convince them differently.
B) Pro Steam camp, Want the game to be steam only (why would you download from anywhere else), no amount on name calling or "reasoned, articulate explanation" of why you should not want it or why it is a bad thing, or why it is bad for Paradox will ever convince them differently.
C) The vast majority of people that just do not care as long as they have someway to play great Paradox games. These people after reading the first few posts in a steam thread go "Oh another one of those", and stop reading.
Thus the entrencheded camps just fling the same arguments back and forth at each other with no one ever having a legitimate epiphany and saying wow that argument made me totally reverse my opinion.
Instead things tend to degenerate into personal attacks, name calling and hard feelings.

So now that everyone has had a chance to have their say, lets close this one as well.
Surprise! no one won the argument on the internet. ;)
 
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