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Hey everyone - sorry for the delay in reply, I have been out of office for a few days.

I checked with our producers and we now have a soft target of a May 8th release for the console patch. It has passed Microsoft and we are just waiting for Sony. If anything changes with the date (which hopefully it will not) I will let you know - but as of now, it is May 8th!

The reason for the delay is that this patch is chock full of stuff and it had to go through rigorous bug testing and then the certification process, which is not a quick thing on console. We are super committed to making sure you have an awesome experience on console and we are looking forward to you all finally getting to play with the update.

I know many of you are unhappy, but we are not holding things back to be difficult, we just want to make sure we get this patch right.

At this point this is all just more hot air.
If this game remains broken after the patch I will be starting a refund process with yourselves and I do not expect to hear any refusal.
 
awesome news! thank you! Is there a place yet where we can see what changes/fixes to expect? I reviewed the info on the PC thread, but just curious for console details.

Can't wait to pick up the sticks again soon!
 
LMAO IKR!!! Yea I bought this a couple months back but want a full refund. Go by a pc

What don't you understand about console players expecting the same support as PC players for a product that they paid the same price for? How are you not absorbing what we are saying?

You'd have a leg to stand on if when console players first purchased the game they were informed "hey, we're charging you the same amount as PC players, but we're really new at developing for consoles so all of your patches will be significantly delayed compared to PC players."

They took our money just the same, we expected the same support.
 
Alright people! Enough is enough. Can we all just play nice here, until the 8th at least?!?! This is getting out of hand. This is the first time the devs have given any date of any kind. So, lets just give it a chance. Seriously, whats 4 more days to the last 7 weeks?
To the gent complaining and has said at least twice about deleting the game; sir, calm is needed. If deleting it is what you must do, then do so. Your frustration is truly understandable! But please stop shitting on the devs that are trying to get this patch out. Yes, there was not clear communication (p.s. Paradox, just because you were talking to us doesn't mean you were communicating, hence the frustration), but please don't shit straight up on them. We have a date, wait or do not, it's your choice.
To the PC people, not all but some, that have been crapping on us console players. Stop. Just stop. It's not right and it's not fair. It's so easy to say "buy pc", easy to say for you. I had to step away from PC's when I had a family. I do not spend endless amounts of money upgrading every year to stay current. I buy a console, that is supported to that hardware for the games made to be on it, and get 5 years+ out of it. It makes perfect sense for someone like me. Your ignorance at how expensive a gaming PC is, is rude and annoying.
We are all gamers, and we all bought the same game, and at the end of the day, the support was wildly different, for varying reasons.
Everyday, I look on this form and see more and more player on player anger. Why? For something that wasn't either sides fault?
We live in the era of micro transactions and games coming out incomplete (the linux guys on day one for example?). There is no reason to be mad at each other when the game makers are usually the source of frustration.
may the 8th be with us...Didn't think I'd get to use that again!
 
What don't you understand about console players expecting the same support as PC players for a product that they paid the same price for?

We often pay more than the price of the PC game especially if we buy the digital versions. For some reason not having to print the DVD box cover manual artwork books and so on is apparently more expensive than buying a physical copy of the game.
 
Random question of the day! Who else is a disappointed Destiny player? HAHAHAHA holy heck, the 8th is a big day for video game patches/fixes! Pretty sure if this one drops on time, It'll be an SM day for me!
 
At this point this is all just more hot air.
If this game remains broken after the patch I will be starting a refund process with yourselves and I do not expect to hear any refusal.

You might not expect a refusal, but you will get it.

The people who handle console refunds are Microsoft and Sony.

Microsoft's policy is no refunds if you've owned the game for longer than two weeks or played for more than 2 hours. This is fairly normal.

Sony's is 2 weeks or started downloading.

Steam has a similar policy to Microsoft, although they allow exceptions on a case by case basis.

Microsoft or Sony will only refund you past those situations if you can prove the game is/was fundamentally broken to an unplayable level. And not merely the level most people call broken or unplayable.

Refunds come at the whims of the people you bought the game from, not the company who made it.
 
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What don't you understand about console players expecting the same support as PC players for a product that they paid the same price for? How are you not absorbing what we are saying?

You'd have a leg to stand on if when console players first purchased the game they were informed "hey, we're charging you the same amount as PC players, but we're really new at developing for consoles so all of your patches will be significantly delayed compared to PC players."

They took our money just the same, we expected the same support.


Can I get your dealer. Or doctor whichever made u this brain dead. I’d like to on that level for lil bit
 
You might not expect a refusal, but you will get it.

The people who handle console refunds are Microsoft and Sony.

Microsoft's policy is no refunds if you've owned the game for longer than two weeks or played for more than 2 hours. This is fairly normal.

Sony's is 2 weeks or started downloading.

Steam has a similar policy to Microsoft, although they allow exceptions on a case by case basis.

Microsoft or Sony will only refund you past those situations if you can prove the game is/was fundamentally broken to an unplayable level. And not merely the level most people call broken or unplayable.

Refunds come at the whims of the people you bought the game from, not the company who made it.



Do you think waiting months for fixes is acceptable?

I hope you know there is this thing called consumer faith.. You have shown that you lot don't overly care.

I think the only reason your releasing a patch is to drive up sales of natural disasters. Because you have a faulty product at this time.

This shouldn't have taken this long to fix. So you lost my faith in you.

It's a shame you can't get sued for being crap
 
Do you think waiting months for fixes is acceptable?

I hope you know there is this thing called consumer faith.. You have shown that you lot don't overly care.

I think the only reason your releasing a patch is to drive up sales of natural disasters. Because you have a faulty product at this time.

This shouldn't have taken this long to fix. So you lost my faith in you.

It's a shame you can't get sued for being crap

...I don't work for Paradox nor any other gaming company.

Second, the product isn't faulty. Not by gaming standards. It's playable. It's not killing your console just by running. It doesn't attempt to kill you. If you're going to label every game with bugs faulty, you might as well label every game as such. There is no such thing as a game with 0 bugs. They're too complicated and too easily broken for that.

In regards to the "months for fixes" and shouldn't have taken this long, I'll point you at Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2. The PC version got a lot of fixes over 10 years ago. The console version to this day never got those. Even the backwards compatible version recently added to the Xbox One doesn't have them.

Console patches used to be so much worse, be glad that the companies that you believe don't care are actually willing to put in the effort.

...When did console gamers become self-entitled fools with no patience? Just learn to wait, don't act like you have a right to get whatever you want whenever you want it and you'll enjoy life a lot more.

PC doesn't = console. Console doesn't = PC. When you buy a game designed for a computer on a console, you almost always get the same patterns of long wait times for patches and controls that aren't really mapped well.

When you buy a console game that's been ported to PC, you get a different specific set of patterns. It's just the way of things.
 
...I don't work for Paradox nor any other gaming company.

Second, the product isn't faulty. Not by gaming standards. It's playable. It's not killing your console just by running. It doesn't attempt to kill you. If you're going to label every game with bugs faulty, you might as well label every game as such. There is no such thing as a game with 0 bugs. They're too complicated and too easily broken for that.

In regards to the "months for fixes" and shouldn't have taken this long, I'll point you at Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 2. The PC version got a lot of fixes over 10 years ago. The console version to this day never got those. Even the backwards compatible version recently added to the Xbox One doesn't have them.

Console patches used to be so much worse, be glad that the companies that you believe don't care are actually willing to put in the effort.

...When did console gamers become self-entitled fools with no patience? Just learn to wait, don't act like you have a right to get whatever you want whenever you want it and you'll enjoy life a lot more.

PC doesn't = console. Console doesn't = PC. When you buy a game designed for a computer on a console, you almost always get the same patterns of long wait times for patches and controls that aren't really mapped well.

When you buy a console game that's been ported to PC, you get a different specific set of patterns. It's just the way of things.


Normally when a game is as broken as this there's usually a patch out for it in a few weeks.. But obviously not for this game..

I'm not self entitled. I want to play the game I paid for you idiot.

Also it is faulty. Because its not working as it should..
 
Normally when a game is as broken as this there's usually a patch out for it in a few weeks.. But obviously not for this game..

I'm not self entitled. I want to play the game I paid for you idiot.

Also it is faulty. Because its not working as it should..

You can play the game you paid for. If you are choosing not to that is on you. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from playing the game other than your sense of entitlement.

And yes, you are self-entitled. The game runs. It's not perfect, but no game is. If you are refusing to play the game because it has moderate bugs, then your sense of entitlement is what is stopping you from playing the game. If your sense of entitlement is stopping you, then you are self-entitled.

Faulty is a very specific piece of terminology that people use most commonly to indicate something as completely broken. The game does not qualify for that particular definition.

While the game is faulty under one potential context of the word, which is merely that something about it no matter how minor is broken, in the usual gaming context the game isn't faulty because in a gaming context a game is only faulty if it cannot run. If it runs, it's not faulty.

If you're curious, this terminology comes from before the digital purchasing era. A game was faulty if there was something wrong with the physical part of the game. The cartridge or the disc. It was buggy if there was something wrong with the software part of the game.