Ok, I'm playing Russia. I attacked the Golden Horde and got two provinces for my effort and now we're at peace. So, how long before I can attack them again and get some more provinces (without my stability rating taking a hit)? Would claiming the throne by ancestory shorten the time frame? Is there anyway to get them so PO'd that they'll attack me?
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how long before I can attack them again
5 years
Is there anyway to get them so PO'd that they'll attack me?
They will als suffer -5 stab to DOW on you, so this is not very likely. Just wait the 5 years, you can target someone else meanwhile.
5 years
Is there anyway to get them so PO'd that they'll attack me?
They will als suffer -5 stab to DOW on you, so this is not very likely. Just wait the 5 years, you can target someone else meanwhile.
Why did you accept peace if you wanted to continue war? (You might well have been able to continue on to annexation -- control all GH provinces.) Maybe you were diverted by other matters. As Russia I usually take GH all at once to avoid this situation.
Also, BTW, I find it difficult to provoke another specific country into DOW in general. Bad diplomatic relations aren't enough. You an push your BB up (edit or gameplay), but then almost everybody attacks you!
DC
I was going by the 3 province limit; forgot all about completely annexing them -- thanks for the tip!
I first attacked Kazan, got a province that opened the way to the GH and made peace and then went for the Golden Horde and got two, then went for Ryazan (sp?) and now I was thinking it's time to go back at Kazan.
Oh well, start over!
In a board game on the Napoleonic Wars you can make peace of various lengths. So, one player would make peace with the each of his opponents but at various lengths so he'd never have all of them to fight again!
The best way to attack the Kahanates as Russia (and most other medium sized countries too btw) concerning BB, VP, Money & Relations (ie basicly everything) is:
Attack
take ALL provinces
decline full annexation when you make peace and instead take 3 provinces & 250 D (they will always agree unless they still have allies fighting you).
Rinse, target next country, repeat.
Attack
take ALL provinces
decline full annexation when you make peace and instead take 3 provinces & 250 D (they will always agree unless they still have allies fighting you).
Rinse, target next country, repeat.
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What happens to the armies these countries had? Like Kazan and Ryazan. Do they just disappear or are the merged into yours?
I was thinking on my previous post that if I had declined to accept help from the others that was stupid because with their troops added to the battles and sieges it would cut into my losses --what do you think? Or, doesn't it work this way in the game?
I've printed off some tactical advice that others have posted but they're kind of hard to follow with the poor spelling and sentance structure. That, and on my printer it comes out grey print because the forum is using white font on blue background.
I was thinking on my previous post that if I had declined to accept help from the others that was stupid because with their troops added to the battles and sieges it would cut into my losses --what do you think? Or, doesn't it work this way in the game?
I've printed off some tactical advice that others have posted but they're kind of hard to follow with the poor spelling and sentance structure.
That, and on my printer it comes out grey print because the forum is using white font on blue background.
Hmph! I didn't seem to see them; that's why I asked.
Okay, now what about Pskov's army camping out in my copuntry (and starving to death doing it!)?
Well, it's possible they ain't got one left.
It's especially tricky if u annex a naval country when u then will get their fleets scattered all around the world and u have to find them to get them back in before atrition takes its toll.
Let them rot there
It's especially tricky if u annex a naval country when u then will get their fleets scattered all around the world and u have to find them to get them back in before atrition takes its toll.
Let them rot there
I was thinking on my previous post that if I had declined to accept help from the others that was stupid because with their troops added to the battles and sieges it would cut into my losses --what do you think?
I NEVER call my allies when initiating offesive wars. They are usually just getting in the way and also, every participating ally drops 10 in relation towards you for every province you take in a peace.
If your not strong enough to beat an enemy and his current allies on your own, pick a fight with someone else that you will cream instead.
IMO alliances are best used for protection when attaked, not for fighting your wars for you. Might leave you very vounarable once you do need that alliance in a defensive war.
I NEVER call my allies when initiating offesive wars. They are usually just getting in the way and also, every participating ally drops 10 in relation towards you for every province you take in a peace.
If your not strong enough to beat an enemy and his current allies on your own, pick a fight with someone else that you will cream instead.
IMO alliances are best used for protection when attaked, not for fighting your wars for you. Might leave you very vounarable once you do need that alliance in a defensive war.
I also only need alliances for defence. Well, and diplo annexation attempts. And certain offensive wars.
Anyway, rarely call on them for the offensive.
Anyway, rarely call on them for the offensive.
...not to mention the frustration when you're laying siege with a perfectly sized siege force (having taken attrition carefully into account) and your brainless 'allies' walks in with 100k of filthy peasant soldiers into that province...
Huszics - thanks for the tip on drop 10 points for provinces annexed with allies participating in your war - didn't know that one. Explains my slight drop in relations with Russia (me - Denmark - ally) when they settle a peace with the Khanates.
WOW! This tactic is really enlightening. I had always annexed when I took all provinces, wanting to expand rapidly not considering the negatives (worse BB and general relations)or the money. Thinking 'out loud' three immediate problems occur to me: (1)you often won't collect the 250 D because they don't have it, (2)you can't attack for 5 years after the peace, and (3) you leave an enemy at your rear as you advance. Of course, you're probably safe for 5 years since they would also take a huge hit to stability if they broke the peace and since they've been pretty well decimated by you already they won't be able to build much of an army. Yes, this does sound like a savvy strategy!
Thank you (again) S. Huszics.
BTW, you do go back and finish them off after 5 years don't you???
DC
Originally posted by David Conklin
I've printed off some tactical advice that others have posted but they're kind of hard to follow with the poor spelling and sentance structure.
(1)A lot of the best advice comes from Europe, where the game originated and for many players English is not their first language. If you can't figure out a post respond with specific questions. BTW, I don't know what a 'sentance' is. Could you help me out? Maybe you meant sentence...
(I can't spell either so please don't take offense, or is it offence?) (2)See and use 'Show a Printable Version' at the top of the thread. It makes a HUGE difference in print quality.
DC
Calling on allies.
YIKES! I've had allies fail to coordinate their attacks, but I didn't know about the 10 drop in relations towards you for every province you take in a peace.
Huszics, any chance you'll add a strategy guide to your FAQ? You could publish it and make some Ducats! Or just do it for fun and to improve the quality of EU game play (and possible competitors).
Seriously, a strategy guide is desperately needed to supplement the manual.
DC
YIKES! I've had allies fail to coordinate their attacks, but I didn't know about the 10 drop in relations towards you for every province you take in a peace.
Huszics, any chance you'll add a strategy guide to your FAQ? You could publish it and make some Ducats! Or just do it for fun and to improve the quality of EU game play (and possible competitors).
Seriously, a strategy guide is desperately needed to supplement the manual.
DC
(1)you often won't collect the 250 D because they don't have it,
No, 250 is quite rare from smaller countries, especially in the beginning.
But somewhere in the range 100-200 is VERY common and since you don't have any allies you must share the money with it does give a LOT of extra money, which you desperatly need in the beginning.
Remember that this money goes directly to treasury without adding any inflation and 150 D is 3 new Tax collectors for those 3 new provinces ...
(2)you can't attack for 5 years after the peace
*hint* It's very rare to only border one single foreign country ... =)
(3) you leave an enemy at your rear as you advance. Of course, you're probably safe for 5 years since they would also take a huge hit to stability if they broke the peace and since they've been pretty well decimated by you already they won't be able to build much of an army.
Add to this that you have just cleaned out their bankaccount so they have 0 money in treasury ...
This usually breakes their back (they fall behind in tech etc too vs you) so they don't hassle you for hundreds of years unless you deliberatly provoke them.
BTW, you do go back and finish them off after 5 years don't you???
Depends, sometimes yes sometimes no.
As I already said, usually they will not really bother you at all for the rest of the game anyway, since they are usually much weaker then you. If they do, you even get "FREE" provinces BB vise (0 BB for taking provinces in defensive wars, unless you do a full annexation).
As an example, playing Russia.
I usually take 3 provinces from Kazan, taking the 3 ritch center provinces from it and leaving the country split in 2.
This gives a lot of VP and also minimizes the border towards Poland-Lithuania, which you sooner or later will be fighting (thus you won't have PL armies sneaking past you and wrecking havoc in you "backyard" provinces). The split country of Kazan will also have 0 chance to defend itself if it would try to DOW you later on.
Attacking again to get only vorones or a full annexation is IMO not worth it, economically or BB vise.
GH however, taking 3 provinces in a first war and then returning 5 years later (you can attack Astr meanwhile and then even Sibir if you got time) is good policy, since the GH capital has a goldmine ...
I had always annexed when I took all provinces, wanting to expand rapidly not considering the negatives (worse BB and general relations)or the money.
If your playing for VP, also don't forget the severe reduction in VP a full annexation yields.
A 7 star peace gives 14VP (2 per star). If you do a full annex that is all you get. If you take 3 provinces you get VP for each province too, equal to the income visable when you click on an enemy province. This can yield 30+ extra VP if you get rich provinces.
Ie you loose a LOT of peace agreement VP by full annexation.
No, 250 is quite rare from smaller countries, especially in the beginning.
But somewhere in the range 100-200 is VERY common and since you don't have any allies you must share the money with it does give a LOT of extra money, which you desperatly need in the beginning.
Remember that this money goes directly to treasury without adding any inflation and 150 D is 3 new Tax collectors for those 3 new provinces ...
(2)you can't attack for 5 years after the peace
*hint* It's very rare to only border one single foreign country ... =)
(3) you leave an enemy at your rear as you advance. Of course, you're probably safe for 5 years since they would also take a huge hit to stability if they broke the peace and since they've been pretty well decimated by you already they won't be able to build much of an army.
Add to this that you have just cleaned out their bankaccount so they have 0 money in treasury ...
This usually breakes their back (they fall behind in tech etc too vs you) so they don't hassle you for hundreds of years unless you deliberatly provoke them.
BTW, you do go back and finish them off after 5 years don't you???
Depends, sometimes yes sometimes no.
As I already said, usually they will not really bother you at all for the rest of the game anyway, since they are usually much weaker then you. If they do, you even get "FREE" provinces BB vise (0 BB for taking provinces in defensive wars, unless you do a full annexation).
As an example, playing Russia.
I usually take 3 provinces from Kazan, taking the 3 ritch center provinces from it and leaving the country split in 2.
This gives a lot of VP and also minimizes the border towards Poland-Lithuania, which you sooner or later will be fighting (thus you won't have PL armies sneaking past you and wrecking havoc in you "backyard" provinces). The split country of Kazan will also have 0 chance to defend itself if it would try to DOW you later on.
Attacking again to get only vorones or a full annexation is IMO not worth it, economically or BB vise.
GH however, taking 3 provinces in a first war and then returning 5 years later (you can attack Astr meanwhile and then even Sibir if you got time) is good policy, since the GH capital has a goldmine ...
I had always annexed when I took all provinces, wanting to expand rapidly not considering the negatives (worse BB and general relations)or the money.
If your playing for VP, also don't forget the severe reduction in VP a full annexation yields.
A 7 star peace gives 14VP (2 per star). If you do a full annex that is all you get. If you take 3 provinces you get VP for each province too, equal to the income visable when you click on an enemy province. This can yield 30+ extra VP if you get rich provinces.
Ie you loose a LOT of peace agreement VP by full annexation.
Huszics, any chance you'll add a strategy guide to your FAQ?
It takes a lot of time to write something usefull ... =)
Between helping a lot of people around here, adding to the FAQ and even helping others make nice HTML pages for their utilities, there is really not very much more spare time (unless of course Paradox listens to the suggestions on this forum and adds 1h to the day in the next patch)
I might cut'n'paste a few of these explanations in threads one day though =)
It takes a lot of time to write something usefull ... =)
Between helping a lot of people around here, adding to the FAQ and even helping others make nice HTML pages for their utilities, there is really not very much more spare time (unless of course Paradox listens to the suggestions on this forum and adds 1h to the day in the next patch
)I might cut'n'paste a few of these explanations in threads one day though =)
If u play ur cards right u can often get substantial cash offers though. Just last week I squeezed 500 out of Milan and a massive 1000 out of the Hansa