Okay, other than having them at the start of the game and having someone take one of your national provinces, how does a permanent CB occur? Can you inherit one? I am playing England and I periodically go over each countries relations by clicking them on and I noticed that Poland-Lithuania had a perm CB against me. Huh? I have never fought a war against them, never been in an alliance with them that I broke, in fact my relations is relative high - 120+. So Why? The only thing I could think of was that I recently annexed the Hanseatic League. Could Poland have had a permanent CB agaisnt the HSA which I inherited?