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"Sit down, my son"
"Yes, my father" I replied.
"For centuries our family has been the backbone of the Persian throne, my son".
"Yes, my father"
"I will die soon. Don't cry. Ask me how large our army is."
"How large is our army?" I asked, as he had commanded.
"We have 2 armies of 25000 men each, and several smaller armies amounting to a total of 70-80000 men." He sighed. "Ask me how many provinces Persia has."
"How many provinces does Persia have, my father?"
"Persia has 21 provinces, my son. Ask me what was lasts years national income, my son."
"What was last years national income, my father?"
"I dont know, my son, but when you are old, make your son ask you the same questions, and make sure you have the answers."
"Why, my father"
"Persia's rulers are weaklings, my son. It is the fate of our family to take care of the well-being of the Persian people. This is your task in life."
 
The reign of Baysonqor. 1492 - 1492
==========================
Baysonqor rules Persia and has inherited a bankrupt empire, full of chaos and revolt. His first order is to preserve Armenia, and his second to order religious freedom for all religions: sunni, shiite, and orthodox. Cathloics are outlawed but that doesnt hurt as they dont control any provinces.
His third measure is to invest all cash into stability.
Life is often all too short, he dies in May, as the first revolts pop up in several provinces due to religious strife.

The reign of Rostam Mirza. 1492 May - 1496
==========================================
Revolts are too numerous to mention, and the armies march around but suffer several setbacks. Most noticable is the defeat of 9000 foot / 9000 horse against a mere 4000 peasants, while morale of the regulars was Very Strong.
The time till 1495 is needed to restore order. This year sees the end of the revolts, and Kalat becomes a small colony.

The reign of sultan Morad. 1497 - 1501
======================================
Colonists are sent to Armenia which tips the balance - the province is now officially muslim. The army is quietly expanded. The colony in Kalat is quietly expanded. The country slowly grows in stability when in 1499 the country is struck by civilwar. The majority of the army revolts, as well as several provinces. When the dust settles down, the 70000 man army has about 20000 left.

The reign of Ismail I 1502 - 1524.
=================================
A war of Turkey vs the Mameluks ends with Turkey receiving several Mameluk provinces and a full annexation of the Hedjaz.
Persia quietly expands its army along the Turkish/Atrakahan border and the Uzbek border.
Trade posts are started in Damman and Quatar, but repeated colonization attempts fail.

In 1519 Turkey gets into a war with Austria, Hungary and Bohemia. Ismail I judges the time ripe and declare war on Turkey. Payment of the soldiers is raised to 100% wartime wages. 25000 men enter Trabizon, 19000 Sivas, 7000 Syria and 9000 Jordan. The first wave of recruits is defeated, but Turkish recruits from Lebanon break our troops in Syria and all troops from The Uzbek border are needed to push them back from Iraq. Georgia and later Uzbek attack our rear. Therefore we gladly accept Turkeys offer of Jordan and Sivas, though I had prefereed Syria.
The Georgians take Azerbedijan and attack Armenia, but are then slowly pushed back by Ismail himself until the province Georgia is taken and Sochi is under seach. After a year of siege they offer their home provence Georgia for peace which Persia accepts. Meanwhile in the east The Uzbeki's besiege Elbruz while the Persian troops take Turkmenistan and Kara Kum. The fight long hangs in the balance, and we take 2 warloans to keep the fight going: the Uzbeki's recruit fearful numerous armies. But the peace with Georgia allows Ismail to march East. He defeats the main Uzbeki army at great cost to our artillery and infantry.
The reign of Ismail ends while Kara Kum is nearly taken, we control 2 Uzbek provinces, and Ezbek sieges Elbruz.

The reign of Tahmasp I. 1524 -
===================================
Colonists change Georgia into a muslim province. Under Tahmasp's nominal leadership Uzbek is conquered and annexxed. The first warloans could not be repaid, and Persia needed a third, but after many years of war Persia is finally at peace.

1527. A bedroom in the house of an aristocratic family.
"Sit down, my son"
"Yes, my father"
"For centuries our family has been the backbone of the Persian throne, my son".
"Yes, my father. I know we are an important family in our country."
"I didnt mean that. For centuries, our family has formed the secret power of Persia's throne. It is the obligation of our family to support its rulers, however strong or weak they are. I will die soon. Don't cry. You will guide our shah. Ask me how large our army is."
"How large is our army?"
"We have 28000 infantry, 30000 cavalry and 24 artillery peaces, my son. Ask me how many provinces Persia has."
"How many provinces does Persia have, my father?"
"Persia has 31 provinces, my son. Ask me what was lasts years national income, my son."
"What was last years national income, my father?"
"555 ducats, my son. Ask me what I achieved for Persia."
"What did your life achieve for Persia, my father?"
"Persia has risen from the chaos in which I inherited her. National income has risen by 30%. Persia's territory has been enlarged by 10 provinces. My life has been well spent."
"Why is it the task of our family to care for the country, my father?"
"Persia's rulers are weaklings, my son. It is the fate of our family to take care of the well-being of the Persian people. This will be your task in life, just as it has been mine."
 
hi Joe,

yes, Persia has problems.

Persia problems till now:
a) It is shiite, and nearly the only one so.Egypt is shiite too. It is also the only other country I have a RM with. This makes Persia very isolated on the political front.
Before starting this game I had a trial go at Persia, mainly to see if my IGC problems had been solved. I DOW on Turkey, only to be stabbed by Mughal, Uzbeks and some others.
b) to worsen this, the country is poor and cannot afford to spend 100s of ducats on building up & keeping up relations.
c) It does not seem to be able to change to sunni. Most relations are already at nearly -200, a few still hover around -80.
d) It has very limited maps and colonial dynamism will stop soon. It will be hard to expand beyond the known borders.

The revolts at start are a problem, but only temporarily. It does put Persia at a setback in development. I am afraid development will become more and more of a problem as I go on - the manual says muslim countries have a low development rate.
 
It seems the only way to succede with Persia would be to win a few wars with Turkey while they are small to keep them off the Mamelukes and keep the fighting to only a few fronts.
I think you developement might be okay later because Insfarn COT gets bigger as the game goes on.
 
Brainstorming...

Seems like there's not much you can do about (a), so don't worry too much about it. Regarding (b) and (d) -- do you start with knowledge of the Mughals? If so, your limited resources might be better spent colonizing and warring east instead of west.

(1) The Mughals don't usually start with lots of local allies, but eventually will either ally with or snap up Mysore and Hyderabad.
(2) But until then, they have some nice rich provinces.
(3) Turkey is never really *easy* to take on from the kind of poor position Persia will begin with. Attacking them early just gets them swarming all over you. Trying to hit them while they're at war with the Mamelukes is helpful, but then they've already got lots of troops in your area and can use the Mameluke provinces to access yours. On the other hand, with a few Mughal provinces in your pocket for manpower and money, Turkey might be less of a threat...
(4) Oh and don't forget that most of Turkish territory near you at the outset (if not all) counts as European. That means you will get 3% revolt risk in each province you manage to take from them, adding to your rebel woes. The Mughals on the other hand, cause no revolt risk...

Good luck! I'll be following your progress reports...



Originally posted by CitizenPaul
hi Joe,

yes, Persia has problems.

Persia problems till now:
a) It is shiite, and nearly the only one so.Egypt is shiite too. It is also the only other country I have a RM with. This makes Persia very isolated on the political front.
Before starting this game I had a trial go at Persia, mainly to see if my IGC problems had been solved. I DOW on Turkey, only to be stabbed by Mughal, Uzbeks and some others.
b) to worsen this, the country is poor and cannot afford to spend 100s of ducats on building up & keeping up relations.
c) It does not seem to be able to change to sunni. Most relations are already at nearly -200, a few still hover around -80.
d) It has very limited maps and colonial dynamism will stop soon. It will be hard to expand beyond the known borders.

The revolts at start are a problem, but only temporarily. It does put Persia at a setback in development. I am afraid development will become more and more of a problem as I go on - the manual says muslim countries have a low development rate.
 
Originally posted by Joe000000
It seems the only way to succede with Persia would be to win a few wars with Turkey while they are small to keep them off the Mamelukes and keep the fighting to only a few fronts.
I think you developement might be okay later because Insfarn COT gets bigger as the game goes on.


Does the Isfahan COT still keep growing if he falls behind in Trade tech and ticks off the neighbors? There are others in the area that could benefit at his expense -- the ones in Thrace, Delhi, and Mascate are closest, I think. In my Spanish IGC, I conquered Alexandria early and it started sucking up provinces from the other middle eastern COTs pretty fast. When I hit India from the south and took Delhi, Isfahan was squeezed from two sides and wound up with very little...
 
Morlac,
your post suggests that the areas which belong to a tradecenter is not a random process, but follows certain rules. Could you please explain?

I always assumed the CoT at start was fixed for every province, that new CoT were cerated at random and that the provinces trading in the new CoT weer also selected at random.
 
CoTs

Originally posted by CitizenPaul
Morlac,
your post suggests that the areas which belong to a tradecenter is not a random process, but follows certain rules. Could you please explain?

I always assumed the CoT at start was fixed for every province, that new CoT were cerated at random and that the provinces trading in the new CoT weer also selected at random.

I'm not completely sure what all the rules are--in fact while writing this post I took another look at my current game and am more confused than ever. There seems to be enough randomness to confuse the issue when looking at individual examples. In the larger picture, however, there does seem to be a pattern to the migration of provinces from one CoT to another--

COT affiliation IS fluid. As time passes, provinces can (and do) shift from one CoT to another. The most common cause is a province or CoT changing hands or a new COT opening. I think that a priority is placed on sending trade to a CoT owned by the same country. If that is not possible, my guess is that it will go to a CoT that is both close and whose owner has good relations with you. (That's a real guess, I don't know for sure!) Possibly the most dramatic example is that you will often notice after taking a CoT in war that soon after, much of the trade migrates away from it!

But it can also seem to happen that a province switches CoTs with no territory changing ownership and no new CoT opening, and regardless of distance or relations. According to other posters (Robo in the following thread) COT Religion Strength it is your religion that causes this effect, with Christian stronger than Muslim, in turn stronger than Pagan. This seems to follow with behavior I've observed.

For example --

In my current Spanish IGC game, I annexed Hyderabad and Mysore, as well as founding some colonies and cities in the area. All of that trade belonged to the Delhi CoT, still owned by the Mughals. I think that the next closest CoTs were in Isfahan, Mascate, Tianjin, and Edo. The closest CoTs that I owned were in Australia (forget which province) and Alexandria -- much further away.

At that time, the "border" of influence between the Delhi and Tianjin CoTs ran right through Ayutthaya and what had been Dai Viet (but had been annexed by China). The Dai Viet areas were definitely in Tianjin's CoT and I'm pretty sure the Ayutthaya side was in Delhi's. (Ayutthaya and China were allies, but Delhi is a lot closer...)

Within about 15 years, things changed dramatically. I was avoiding actually annexing the Mughal capital/CoT, so it was still independent. But a new CoT opened for me practically next door in Hyderabad. At the outset it controlled just its own province, but almost immediately (within months) swallowed up everything on the Indian subcontinent except the one Mughal province. Then it headed east and started quickly eating up provinces from Tianjin. By the end of that 15 years, it had taken over at least 8-10 Chinese-owned provinces (big rich ones!) even though China and I were not on particularly good terms (I kept attacking their ally Ayutthaya and was grabbing land fast) and Delhi is much farther than Tianjin. (In fact, it's gotten all the way up to Jiangsu, only 2 provinces away from Tianjin!)

Similarly, my CoT in Alexandria has also been growing steadily. Astrakhan, which is allied with Turkey and hates me, actually now belongs to my CoT in Alexandria instead of the ones in Thrace or Novgorod.

And even though I have reduced my fellow Catholic Portugal to only its capital province on the continent, it still controls its former lands through its CoT in Tago several years later. Not only that, but to my surprise it has over time stolen a few of my Spanish provinces as well (like Leon) from the Andalusia CoT. This is even though Portugal is about Trade Lvl 4 and I am Trade 8. The only way I can explain this is to say that there must be SOME random element to it -- on every measure, Spain is more powerful and advanced than Portugal, we are both Catholic, and Leon can't be enough closer to Tago than Andalusia to make that big of a difference.

But again, if it were all random, then you'd see a lot more see-sawing back and forth between competing CoTs. Instead, what you see is a gradual (sometimes sudden) increase in the CoTs belonging to the Christian/high-tech countries.

To address the related question you asked about new CoTs appearing, it's been stated elsewhere at Where do CoT's come up? that each province is assigned a modifier by the game to the likelihood of a CoT developing there. (And I think you must have at least a colony there, not a trading post). So some provinces definitely have a pronounced tendency to get CoTs, and you can try to manipulate it by only building one colony in an area, and all of that only applies to the "rest of the World", as Holland and Anglia are the only European CoTs created during the game...

Sorry - I would've liked for this to be clearer, but too much of it is guesswork...
 
Wow, that's a lengthy post!
Thanks for the effort, Morlac, to type it all up!

Yes, things become a lot clearer now, even some things in the persian campaign i am now playing. Tonight I just conquered the Mughdals, and noticed some downgrade in my income after annexing them I could not explain at that time. But it could well have been a shifting of trade away from their CoT.
 
Originally posted by CitizenPaul
Wow, that's a lengthy post!
Thanks for the effort, Morlac, to type it all up!

Yes, things become a lot clearer now, even some things in the persian campaign i am now playing. Tonight I just conquered the Mughdals, and noticed some downgrade in my income after annexing them I could not explain at that time. But it could well have been a shifting of trade away from their CoT.

Think nothing of it. The more I thought about it as I wrote, the less I realized that I actually knew, so I went around and did some thread searches to shed some light on things.

So when are we gonna see more AAR on this successful persian campaign?

BTW I checked out the first year as Persia yesterday, with Persian Revolt turned OFF in the IGC config. Still got two waves of obscurantism within the first year, so clearly it doesn't turn off ALL the revolts. Wow, you start off in such potential turmoil...

Does annexing a non-european nation increase your stability by one? I seem to recall that annexation increases stability, and I know that in some cases I've seen it and in others I haven't. But I was thinking that Persia's best eaerly bet might be sucker punching and annexing a small independent like Georgia or Hedjaz. (Preferably not Georgia, as it only adds to your religious woes. At least Armenia is the only orthodox prov you own to start with, and you can use your first colonist to convert its religion...)
 
a) Yes, a lot obscurantism and unrest. I opted for the historical options, but still had no problem not to drown. Things are less difficult than they look. Even when unrest goes up to 14%, peasants remain in their revolting problem a long time.
b) I hope to conclude a session somewhere this week, but it's a busy week, I am away from home nearly every evening.
c) The Hadjaz were annexed by the Ottomans during a war against the Mameluks, while i was still fighting unrest.
d) For the first 10-12 years, all investments went into stability. At that rate, I needed about 2 years to gain 1 stability level. I never noticed any positive influence from annexing countries, but then I solved my stability problem first and went to war later.
 
The reign of Tahmasp I. 1524 - 1576
===================================
From abroad we receive news about a great victory of the French infidels over the Austrian infidels: Mantua, Alsace and Tyrol learn 'la belle langue'.
The armies in the west are strengthened. After the Uzbek victory, we have essentially 3 borders left: west with the Ottomans and mameluks, north-west with small states, and the Mughdals in the east.
After extensive consultation with our advisors (translate: reading your ideas on this forum), the armies in the former Uzbek region are moved to the Mughdal border area. The armies must be distributed over several provinces, as the area is rather barren. For several years armies are recruited in the west, espacially Iraq and Kars.
In 1535, as Turkey gets into a war with Venice, Persia declares war on the Mughdals.
Our 5 armies are ordered into Indus, Thar, Kutsch and Jaipur. Indus and Thar are taken without resistance, but all armies retreat to Indus as wave after wave of strong Mughdal army throw themselves against Tahmasps forces. Thrice we are barely victorious.
But finally the waves eb away and we march on to Jaypur and Delhi. Taking the latter reveals the rest of the Mughdal empire: a number of trade posts and several rich provinces. These provinces topple like dominoes.
I guess Persia is lucky that it the Mughdal empire did not yet have an alliance with Hyderabad and Mysore. Both empires have 40K and 67K armies in the field. By 1540 the war is over and the Mughdal empire accepts the true shiite religion.

Abroad, Russia looses provinces to Poland, Turkey and Sweden. As a result, Russia is left as a minor power of probably 2 or 3 provinces. France tops the Persian badboy reputation (F:37, P:25). The reformation spreads through Germany, England and Scandinavia. With frantic effort, France conquers Spains Dutch possessions, only to loose them as the Dutch declare themselves independant from France. Incessant warfare against England, Austria-Hungary and Spain exhausts France and they agree to a few peace treaties giving up land. Poland conquers area from the Crimea, further extanding its already large holdings. Spain wages war on the mameluks and gains a foothold in North Africa.

Persia spends over 3 decades to reform it tax and juridical systems.

The persian king eyes the former Hedjaz provinces now owned by Turkey, the rich Damascus and Lebanon provinces, and the Mysore and Hyderabad kingdoms in the East. The latter look richer, but they will probably be able to burn a lot of our trade posts in the area, while annexing them would further ruin our reputation among neighbouring nations.
This time is well spent rebuilding part of the Indian army. Also attempts, mostly in vain, are made to upgrade the indian trade posts to colonies. The few that do make it into a colony turn out to have negative population growth. So instead of India, trade posts are extended from the former Uzbek north towards the barren siberia (Siberia itzelf is still terra incognita).

1576. A bedroom in the house of an aristocratic family.
"Sit down, my son"
"Yes, my father"
"For centuries our family has been the backbone of the Persian throne, my son".
"Yes, my father. I know you had monthly discussions with our shah, praised be his name."
"Ask me how large our army is."
"How large is our army?"
"We have 51000 infantry, 125000 cavalry and 89 artillery peaces, my son. Ask me how many provinces Persia has."
"How many provinces does Persia have, my father?"
"Persia has 39 provinces, my son. Ask me what was lasts years national income, my son."
"What was last years national income, my father?"
"1344 ducats, my son. Ask me would I achieved for Persia."
"What did your life achieve for Persia, my father?"
"Persia has more than doubled its national income. It has gained 8 provinces. It has enjoyed peace for over 3 decades. My life has been well spent."
"Is there anything you regret, my father?"
"Yes, my son. Inflation is up to 23%. We have no allies. And many, many people have died in the Indian wars."
"What is your wish for my life, my father?"
"I have set Persia on a peaceful course. Find ways to expand Persia in peace. The new shah does not listen well and has his mind on war. Use his monthly visits with the Shah to submit him to your will."
"How can I do that, my bfather?"
"Ask your wi.. Ahhh!" His head sank down.

Tech levels: 4/4/1/4/4
 
Words from your advisors...

CitizenPaul

Doing great! Congratulations! ;)

I have rarely seen an AI willingly drive itself up so far past the human player in BB points. Be very, very careful. As France is forced to sign away provinces for peace it will shed BB points quickly, and might drop below your level, leaving you the global BB target!

If you do look to expand aggressively, some words of advice for your situation...

(1) Don't DOW Turkey directly. I believe (people should correct me, please if I'm wrong) that it still counts as a European power and will earn you 1 BB just for the Declaration. DOW one of their minor non european allies if you have CB against them. Also, be wary about taking their provinces north or west of the Nuysabin area, as that's counted as Europe, and they will have 3% nationalism revolt risk (unlike the provinces you've been taking!)

(2) The Uzbeks and Sibir are to your north, and don't count as European, which is good. But they are *poor*, so not particularly good targets. "Harvest" them when you are within 10-15 years of building a shipyard so that you can gain a yearly colonist and exploit the Siberian corridor. (Of course, you'd also need a conquistador or the land tech to explore unknown territory with regular armies...)


(3) Hyderabad and Mysore are your best targets, by far. They are rich enough to make it worthwhile, they aren't European, and they likely have few allies. If you are worried about BB (as you should be, given your rating) content yourself with stripping them of all but their capital provinces. Even in an offensive war, you shouldn't earn BB that way. Also, there is another consideration. You already border them, they have high armies, and you are a badboy even if not THE badboy. Odds are good that at some point while you are otherwise occupied at war elsewhere, that they will attack you. Better to smash their armies and take their lands now while you can take the initiative.

Doing so will also put you in a better position to push back the inevitable european efforts in your area, and to launch an attack on Ayutthaya to the east if you so desire. :D

Post some screenshots!
 
I considered leaving them their capitoals only, it's just that their capitals are the extremely rich provs I covet.
 
Originally posted by CitizenPaul
I considered leaving them their capitoals only, it's just that their capitals are the extremely rich provs I covet.

<chuckle>

The advice still applies. If you annex the whole thing at once, you will wind up with 1 BB per province taken. They are about 3 and 2 provs each, right? So that's 5 BB.

If you take them in two bites, first stripping everything but the capital, you will only get the BB for the capitals, so that's 2 BB.

But if you really want everything at once, go for it. Just watch your other borders...
 
1576 - 1578
The empire spends time to boost its stability, which had dropped from +3 to +1 from some obscure reason.


Muhammed Khodabanda 1578 - 1585
Trade posts establishments prove hard to obtain in India and West Siberia. The stability gets back at +3 yin 1580, so all investments get switched to infrastructure.
After lengthy consideration, Persia declares war on Turkey. The Indian kingdoms are a lot richer, but Turkey would most likely backstab us.
The initial battles go well. Of course Turkjeys allies, Georgia, Aden and Oman, also declare war. Georgia beats us and starts trying to recapture its previous province, but we break their grip on the city. Turkey starts to siege Sivas, and defeats all our relief armies of equal size. They also break the siege of Trabizon, with 3000 men against 15000.
Meanwhile, Sibir, Golden Horde and Crimea declare war on us.
In the south we capture Jordan, and Turkey offers a white peace which we accept, as it allows us to continue the war against Crimea, Sibir and Golden Horde. Sibir burns all trade posts in what we term the west-siberia area, spoiling the work of a decade. Persia raises war taxes.

Hamza Mirza, 1585 - 1586
The new year starts with a wave of obscurantism. Fine, just what we needed :(
Nubia conquers Jordan and demands this province in exchange for peace. Aden repeatedly offers a white peace. These offers are declined. In the north Uralsk and Volgograd are conquered on the Golden Horde, and regretly, or perhaps lucky, it GH cannot be annexed as Saratow is isolated and cannot be reached. Persia settles for Uralsk and 500 gold. Alas, only 57 ducats arrive!
New waves of obscurantism sweep the country. Amou Daria, Karabogaz, Kalath, Baluchistan, Mekran, Isfahan, Basrah, Iraq, and Kirkuk are revolting.


Abu Talib. 1586 - 1587
The war against Sibir gave us control of Orenburg and Irgiz. 1586 brings more obscurantism. Aden refuses a blank peace. Heretic revolt risks increase every month. In 1587, Hyderabad and Mysore declare war. Their first deed is to completely eliminate a 30000 men army in Bombay. It keeps raining revolts. The government does not realize its mission to control Jordan, and completely forgets to define a new mission, after which the King chooses to conquer Mysorian Deccan.
Poland offers peace for 5d. Poland? I must have completely missed their DoW among all those revolts. Sibir declines are peace offer for Orenburg, then suddenly offers Orenburg for peace. We gladly accept. Aden offers peace for 5d, which we accept. Aden is a vasal of Nubia, but when we accept Adens offer we turn out to be at peace with Nubia too. Every month 3-7 provinces revolt. Within a few months, 7-8 provinces revolt every month.
In 1587 the government is broken. Astrakahan, Mughal and Uzbek declare themselves independant.

Abbas I 1587 - ?
That rarest of all commodities - an able Persian ruler! All efforts go into the development of infrastructure, and in 1594 we attain level 5 and the ability to promote mayors to governours. This allows Persia to promote a long string of majors, and slowly inflation drops from 26% to 14% in 1597. Of course Spain gained this reform over 70 years ago. Numerous colonization attempts are made, but only one in Agra succeeds.
In 1597, Russia declares war. Theirt motives completely baffle our diplomats. They invade Kouban, but are easily repulsed. They attack again with the same result, and Abbas I himself pursuits them to Volgograd, the only adjacent province. We capture this province, continue with their gold mines at Samara. We offer peace for these two provinces, but they refuse. In February we march on to Kazan, and as soon as we have beaten their army they offer these two provinces themselkves. We gladly accept.

The renewed peace allows us to turn all investments into trade. We gain a new trade level, and enjoy further reforms until 1608, when Russia declares war again.
Our diplomats inquire, with some hesitation, about the Tsars mental health. "No, our Tsar does not suffer from insanity" the Russians reply "On the contrary, he enjoys every day of it."
The Persian armies rapidly conquer Kazan and we declare willing to accept peace in exchange for this small strip of land. The Tsar refuses, so we go on to besiege Vladimir.
Then, in 1610, Crimea declares war on us, followed by Sibir. After a small victory in Sibir, Russia offers kazan for peace. Again we gratefully accept the Russian peace offer, as Persia has always been a peaceful nation.
Just when the war is going fine, the Uzbeks declare war on us. They really want to play around, as Crimea offers peace for Lugansk, which we accept. Due to a slught diplomatic oversight, this also brings peace with Sibir, but at least it allows Persia to concentrate all its efforts on teh reconquesta of Uzbek.
Amou Daria is conquered in 1612, and annexed ruthlleslly.


1612. A lonely hilltop outside Isfahan.
"Sit down, my son. My end has drawn near."
"How do you know, my gather?"
"For centuries our family has been the backbone of the Persian throne, my son. I hand this task over to you, as my father loaded the task on my shoulders.".
"Yes, my father. I know you had monthly discussions with our shah, praised be his name."
"When your time has gone, make your son ask you these questions:"
"How large is our army?"
"How many provinces does Persia have?"
"What was last years national income?"
"What did your life achieve for Persia?"
"We have 33000 infantry, 37000 cavalry and 79 artillery peaces, my son. Persia has 42 provinces. National income last year was 1386 ducats."
The old man fell silent for a while. Then he continued: "Persia has gained 3 provinces. But I failed to steer Persia to greatness. I failed to steer it to peace. The religious revolts broke up the government, and the richest provinces have gone, perhaps for ever. Our reputation with our neighbours have not improved. Make the conquest of India your first priority, my son."
"How can I steer Persia while the Shah is on the many feathered throne?" the young man asked. The old man grinned.
"My father died just when I asked him the saem question. The shah in Shah is obliged to visit us every month and discuss the course of our country, it´s a tradiotional prerogative of our family. I have set Persia on a peaceful course. Have your wife agh!"
Shocked the young man looked at the arrow protruding the breast of his father. Looking around, he could not discover the murderer.

Tech levels: 7/4/3/5/5.
 
Persia03.jpg
 
Doh!

Hmmm...


Told ya to go for the Indian side first ;)

<chuckle> Sorry, couldn't resist.

I'm amazed that you managed to hold things together so well, given the number of revolts and DOWs. Congratulations are definitely due to you.

Do you know what your Badboy rating is, and whether it's the highest?

My guess is that you engaged in enough landgrabbing and DOWing on "European" countries like Turkey, Astrakhan, the Horde, Crimea, etc that your BB rating is rather bad. That would help paint the big "kick me" sign on your back that the Tsar (and others) seem to see.

I'm very interested in seeing how this progresses. I really think that you could control the Indian subcontinent and all/most of the muslim world within 50 years. Then it would be a question of whether you want to face the long russian winters or head into Turkey's holdings in eastern europe. (Or hey, you could always build up and attack China :D )