A lot of Ukrainians love and play Paradox games, but the developer constantly ignores them. Mods are constantly being created to localize Paradox games into Ukrainian. Therefore, we ask you to add Ukrainian localization to EU5.
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Ukrainean is included in the game as Ruthenian. Both Belarussian and Ukrainean diverged from ruthenian
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Exactly, but it is not represented in this game. Only Russian is represented
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i think he meant that the interface should have ukrainian in the game
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I second the petition.
This would additionally attract and popularise quite a big chunk of market, because lastly Ukrainian streamers and gamers have been very supportive of games that have Ukrainian localisation.
And one note aside, Ukrainians will be even much more supportive if the devs rename the Russian culture group to East Slavic, and create three historically relevant culture groups: Belarusian, Ukrainian and Russian for the respective cultures. So that all three cultures could be formed in the game, not only Russian.
The devs have stated multiple times their focus on historical gameplay and formation of these three nations around the XVII – XVIII centuries is really historical. With the current setup it is possible to unify only one Russian culture.
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This would additionally attract and popularise quite a big chunk of market, because lastly Ukrainian streamers and gamers have been very supportive of games that have Ukrainian localisation.
And one note aside, Ukrainians will be even much more supportive if the devs rename the Russian culture group to East Slavic, and create three historically relevant culture groups: Belarusian, Ukrainian and Russian for the respective cultures. So that all three cultures could be formed in the game, not only Russian.
The devs have stated multiple times their focus on historical gameplay and formation of these three nations around the XVII – XVIII centuries is really historical. With the current setup it is possible to unify only one Russian culture.
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Too little solvency, the vast majority of games translated into Ukrainian are created by Ukrainians, most likely there will be a fan localization mod.
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I can agree with the solvency. But this is temporary, because there is a war against Ukraine. But now many games are released with Ukrainian language support, or it is added over time, for example, from Czech or Polish developers, we all know who I'm talking about. In addition, a lot of indie studios are adding translation for ukrainians of their indie games. So your statement is not true.
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I think you miss the mark here
State-led cultural centralisation is the main part of the definition of cultural unification
I think the name "Unify culture group" doesn't represent the action they are portraying.
So, there should be three culture groups: East Slavic, Ukrainian, and Belarusian? Didn't get you here
I think it is a bit self-centred. Millions of people have no localisations.
Officially, the EU4 game has 4 localisations
CK3 has more
So I believe it will be just not fair for Turkish, Japanese, Portuguese, Indian and other language speakers. TBH more localisations they do - the less is the general quality. just let the modders do it. I think it is always quite good
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No, there must be East Slavic culture group, that contains Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian culture groups.
And those three groups they contain cultures on the respective territories.
As simple as that.
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Im completely fed up with "Add ukrainian language" spam on like every steam discussions and internet forums. Quite often such spam is performed by bots who don't even own a game. Those requests are motivated not by a real need but by politics. While it may not be a case here considering that OP has some games on his account Im still biased against his proposal.
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EU4 was released more than 11 years ago. Why are we even comparing these two games in terms of localizations? Now Paradox is not an indie studio, but a studio with big revenues. And I'm not saying that only the Ukrainian language should be added, I'm only speaking from the perspective of Ukrainian players. If other nations want their language in the game, they should let the developers know.
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Then why do you take part in these discussions and oppose them? Your language is represented, but you are preventing others from having the same privilege. Why?
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Hmm… I thought it was already the case, only that there is Ruthenian instead of Ukrainian and Belarusian. I’m not sure there are culture groups of culture groups, but there must be a culture group of all East Slavic cultures and also local ones. (Like the UK had 4 culture groups which intersected each other)
About splitting Ruthenian to Ukrainian and Belarusian: I’m more in favour of Ruthenian just because it feels historical to me. Both cultures had an incredible amount of shared history after the game started and before it, so I think there is no real need to split them.
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I also see no point in dividing the Ruthenian cultural group. But it would be possible to create an opportunity for national movements to emerge and break away from the general cultural group, say, in the early revolutionary era. But we must say that Ruthenian does not equal Russian.
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I genuinely thought so, but looks like no.
And yes, looks like culture groups can consist of just smaller culture groups, like now the Slavic CG consists of the South Slavic, Russian, Polish and Czechoslovak CGs (saw three of them in videos).
For historical and role-play reasons and probable unique flavour potential.
The devs have claimed multiple times that they are focused primarily on historical gameplay.
The Ukrainian and Belarusian nations formed within the game time frame ±100-150 years before the end date, so I do not get why they should limit something that happened historically.
Especially when some 'fantasy' cultures are actually available for unifying.
And they both can be parts of the Ruthenian culture group as well. It only adds flexibility.
Also regarding flavour, some features should be available to all Est Slavic cultures, some features should be unique for the Ruthenian and Russian CGs and at least a couple of features should be unique separately to the Ukrainian and Belarusian CGs. Like Cossack boat Chaika, some types of light Cossack units, some kind of republican/parlament/election privileges to the estates etc. It would add a bit of diversity to the region.
Also @SaintDaveUK somewhere wrote that there are actually no restrictions on number of groups.
So three better options instead of the totally unacceptable current one:
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The fact that lots of Ukrainians already play Paradox games is not a reason for them to add Ukrainian localization; if anything, it's a reason for them not to. Adding and maintaining a language is expensive, and Paradox only does it if they believe doing so will cause enough additional people to buy the game to make up for that expense. But the fact that lots of Ukrainians already play Paradox games suggests (just suggests; without data we can't know anything for sure) that the number of people who would only buy EUV if it has a Ukrainian localization is unlikely to be large enough to make it worthwhile for Paradox to make a Ukrainian localization.
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First of all, thank you all for being active in this thread. The more posts we see (even if they're negative), the more attention the topic gets — and that’s important.
Personally, I’ve played over 1,700 hours of EU4 and 1,400 hours of HOI4.
For EU4, I bought almost every DLC up to 2022 (since 2014).
For HOI4, I still continue to buy them — I have all of them except the last two.
I also own Stellaris, Victoria 3, and Imperator: Rome, though I’ve only played around 100–200 hours in each (maybe even less).
(Doesn’t sound like a bot who never buys games, does it?)
Now, here’s the thing: over time, my interest clearly declined.
The main reason is simple — I don’t see the point in buying new DLCs (or even new games) until there is an official Ukrainian localization. Right now, everything is fan-made — often done by just one or two very dedicated people.
This is the new reality: the Ukrainian market is growing and actively demands localization.
What’s interesting (but not surprising) is that most of the accounts trying to downplay, derail, or oppose the need for localization turn out to be Russian.
And that makes sense — the introduction of Ukrainian naturally reduces the dominance of the Russian language by 25–30% in the region.
(Sorry for the political tangent, but it's part of the bigger picture.)
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I understand your point, and yes — from a purely numbers-based business perspective, that logic may seem reasonable at first glance.
But there are a few key things to consider:
The people who already play Paradox games often rely on fan translations or play in a language they're not fully comfortable with. That doesn't mean the Ukrainian market is fully tapped. In fact, the lack of official support discourages many potential buyers who might otherwise join the community.
Need t ounderstand that the Ukrainian fanbase exists despite the lack of localization, not because of adequate support. These players have been loyal for years. Adding localization would not only unlock more purchases, it would be a strong signal of respect and recognition.
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It's important to note that official localisations are always business decisions and never political ones.
So let's stay right away from politicising the discussion please.
So let's stay right away from politicising the discussion please.
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Totally agree. If you look at the list of localizations present in the game and at the statistics of most popular languages on Steam, you can notice that EUV languages are in top-10'ish of most popular (i.e. most used and thus there are more players) languages on Steam. Russian, f.e., is at third place, so 10% of Steam gamers speak (or at least understand) Russian. The least popular of EUV languages is Turkish with 1,2%. To understand why Ukrainian (and Italian, f.e.) is not added — it's 0,7% and 0,6% respectively, meaning there are as much people playing with Turkish as with Italian and Ukrainian put together. So yeah, if we're talking purely about money, it's worth adding and supporting Turkish rather than any of Ukrainian or Italian. No politics here, just pure statistics.
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