If having Byzantine Empire called Byzantium ruins someones immersion, then he's better off not getting the game in the first place.
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I'm sure we'd all prefer for the Empire to be called the Roman Empire - simply because that's what it is.
However Byzantine Empire is the name used in about 99% of circumstances for the Empire of this time period, Byzantine Empire is a name much more associated with the period and to put it simply some people (me included) love the Byzantines.
However Byzantine Empire is the name used in about 99% of circumstances for the Empire of this time period, Byzantine Empire is a name much more associated with the period and to put it simply some people (me included) love the Byzantines.
Byzantium is the most commonly used name for the Empire. Only the Byzantines themselves ever called the Empire "East Rome", and it makes sense to use the most commonly used name for a country.
When such debate starts, I always point out the marvelous irony, that they call themselves Romanoi. So they were Romans, but greek instead of latin.
So I would support name Romanoi Empire (or anything that is grammaticaly correct. I don't know greek much)
I agree with this
It's still the name that most people who are going to play the game identify the country with, and how it's generally called. Names aren't given by the basis of how the people themselves called their country, but how they are generally called today.
I know. I said something similar in a previous post. I was just pointing out a blatant falsehood.
Remember that this is just a product for entertainment, not a history book.
The nation will have the name that PI want to, even if they want to call it the horse-shit empire.
The nation will have the name that PI want to, even if they want to call it the horse-shit empire.
Alfred sums up my view perfectly. In addition I do agree that Byzantine Empire is a misnomer, however I don't think it's paradox's job to correct that. Historians are the ones who should start using the correct name, paradox is just a game company. When reading this thread though the idea popped in my head that, a great compromise imo would be calling it "The Empire of Constantinople". At least it's half-way accurate
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I hope at least there is a decission/event that switches the name to "roman empire" if they restored the empire (taking modern day Italy). Such decissions/events are the "goals" in every sandbox game. Then everyone could change the name ingame if he wants
Well the Turks called themselves دَوْلَتِ عَلِيّهٔ عُثمَانِیّه in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, but they are still labeled as the Ottoman Empire in all Paradoxes games and the history books.
What they called themselves during their time is irrelevant.
What they called themselves during their time is irrelevant.
There's no restoration because the Empire hadn't fallen yet and in game they still were the Empire. There just were areas where Roman authority had fallen and needed to be returned.I hope at least there is a decission/event that switches the name to "roman empire" if they restored the empire (taking modern day Italy). Such decissions/events are the "goals" in every sandbox game. Then everyone could change the name ingame if he wants
Difference between Roman Empire and Byzantine one wasn't about how much territory they held.
They are the Roman Empire, but everyone knows them by the name Byzantium. it what identifies them.
But if they called it the Roman Empire in every other game, then this thread would be called 'Please stop naming the 'Roman Empire' so'
to distinguish it from the other roman empire in italy.
So either having both options in and letting the player switch the #'s or just letting the player change it completely, is really the only way to go.
and there will be alot of really big and obtrusive ahistoric things and this really the least of them. And one very easily fixed and one that they can never fix to everyones happiness.
But if they called it the Roman Empire in every other game, then this thread would be called 'Please stop naming the 'Roman Empire' so'
to distinguish it from the other roman empire in italy.
So either having both options in and letting the player switch the #'s or just letting the player change it completely, is really the only way to go.
and there will be alot of really big and obtrusive ahistoric things and this really the least of them. And one very easily fixed and one that they can never fix to everyones happiness.
Yep, but it would be even more stupid to call it "Byzantine" when they restored it completely at original size.
I just wanted to make a compromise, I am still member of the "Roman Empire"-Faction in this forum
How about this: when the Byzantine Empire has its capital in Rome, derives its authority from the Roman Senate, and has abandoned Greek culture for Latin, then there could be a decision to change its tag to ROMYep, but it would be even more stupid to call it "Byzantine" when they restored it completely at original size.
I just wanted to make a compromise, I am still member of the "Roman Empire"-Faction in this forum
No, because the way I see it Byzantium was the Roman Empire, but with Greek culture, capital in Constantinople and Orthodox Christianity as a religion. This is what seperates Byzantium from the Roman Empire of old, which was most of its history pagan, and later on Christian with Latin dominated culture.Yep, but it would be even more stupid to call it "Byzantine" when they restored it completely at original size.
I just wanted to make a compromise, I am still member of the "Roman Empire"-Faction in this forum
Names in games represent historical entities the way we identify them with, not how people of the time would have called it. I'll be more than happy to conquer all former Roman territory in game as Byzantium and thinking of it as the Roman Empire restored to its might, but still expect the game to call it Byzantium.
Is it a Greek vs Latin or a Catholic vs Orthodox - thing you are hunting for? I don't care because I am none of it.
I just wanted to make a compromise with this "alternate history"-decission which the one people, the pro-byzantines, could ignore and the other ones, the pro-romans, can accept.
That way we do not have to mod arround in localisation-files ...
I just wanted to make a compromise with this "alternate history"-decission which the one people, the pro-byzantines, could ignore and the other ones, the pro-romans, can accept.
That way we do not have to mod arround in localisation-files ...
a decision would be more annoying than a change in the localisation [which takes two seconds]
and every game it would be sitting there, pissing people off by being useless.
Look at EU3 where you have the decision icon up the whole time because theres a decision that you dont want to enact. and this one would do nothing.
and every game it would be sitting there, pissing people off by being useless.
Look at EU3 where you have the decision icon up the whole time because theres a decision that you dont want to enact. and this one would do nothing.
Make a "yes / no" decission and you don't have the problem.
If you trigger the decission and press "no" it will be gone...
(That should be done in general. There are decissions that I never trigger, so just add a "no, never" button to every decission
triggered event and set a flag that the decission isn't showed anymore).
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