Poland in Interregnum

MattyG · Jul 30, 2007

Emperor krk has seriously begun a redesign of the Poland files.

This is well overdue, and while we have had offers of the same in the past, it has never really happened.

We need a more active Poland, as it is currently must three provinces waiting for Hungary to swallow them.

The next two posts include his first few events and the rebuilt monarch file.

I am a very happy chief-editor.

MattyG · Jul 30, 2007

Code:

# Poland #

historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04110 }
	name = "Kazimierz IV"
	startdate = { year = 1382 }
	enddate = { 
		day = 18
		month = may
		year = 1425 
	}
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 6
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
	remark = "The adopted son of Casimir III the Great, the Prince of Słupsk (in Pomerania); took the Polish throne after the death of Louis the Great of Hungary."

}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04111 }
	name = "Bogusław I"
	startdate = { 
		day = 18
		month = may
		year = 1425 
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 7
		month = december
		year = 1446 
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 5
	MIL = 5
	dormant = no
	remark = "Prince of Pomerania, of the Gryfites branch of the Piast dynasty; succeeded the throne after the death of Kazimierz IV."
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04112 }
	name = "Eryk I"
	startdate = { 
		day = 7
		month = december
		year = 1446 
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 16
		month = june
		year = 1459
	}
	DIP = 4
	ADM = 7
	MIL = 4
	dormant = no
	remark = "Son of Bogusław I"
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04113 }
	name = "Eryk II"
	startdate = { 
		day = 16
		month = june
		year = 1459
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 5
		month = july
		year = 1474
	}
	DIP = 5
	ADM = 4
	MIL = 6
	dormant = no
	remark = "Son of Eryk II"
}
historicalmonarch = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 04114 }
	name = "Bogusław II Wielki" #the Great
	startdate = { 
		day = 5
		month = july
		year = 1474
	}
	enddate = { 
		day = 5
		month = october
		year = 1523
	}
	DIP = 8
	ADM = 8
	MIL = 7
	dormant = no
	remark = "The great son of Eryk II; died heirlessly, converting to protestantism upon his deathbed"
}

MattyG · Jul 30, 2007

Code:

event = {
	id = 514000
	random = no
	country = POL
	name = "Succession after Bogusław II the Great"
	desc = "With the death of the last member of the Piast dynasty, two kingdoms, Hungary and Halych-Volhynia, are claiming the Polish throne for themselves. Who will receive it?"
	date = { day = 3 month = october year = 1523 }

	action_a = {
		name = "No-one! Poland shall stay independent!"
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 77 value = 6 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = -200 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04115 } #Anarchy
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 510100 } # Hungarian vassalization
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 519998 } # H-V vassalization
		command = { type = trigger which = 510101 } # Hungary rejected
		command = { type = trigger which = 519997 } # H-V rejected
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "János I of Hungary"
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 2 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 510100 } # Hungarian vassalization
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 300 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = -200 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04116 } #Jan I
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 519998 } # H-V vassalization
		command = { type = trigger which = 519997 } # H-V rejected
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Leo III of Halych-Volhynia"
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 24 value = 2 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 519998 } # H-V vassalization
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = 300 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -200 }
		command = { type = wakemonarch which = 04117 } #Leon I
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 510100 } # Hungarian vassalization
		command = { type = trigger which = 510101 } # Hungary rejected
	}
}
event = {
	id = 510100 
	random = no
	country = HUN
	trigger = { event = 514000 }
	name = "The Polish chose János I as their king!"
	desc = "The Polish nobles have chosen our monarch as their king. Thus, Poland shall be bound with us by a personal union!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Let's celebrate!"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = -200 }
		command = { type = vassal which = POL }
		command = { type = dynastic which = POL }
		command = { type = alliance which = POL }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 510101 
	random = no
	country = HUN
	trigger = { event = 514000 }
	name = "Rejected!"
	desc = "The Poles have rejected the rightful claims we lay to their throne!"

	action_a = {
		name = "We will have vengeance..."
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -200 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 77 }

	}
}
event = {
	id = 519998 
	random = no
	country = VOL
	trigger = { event = 514000 }
	name = "The Polish chose Leo III as their king!"
	desc = "The Polish nobles have chosen our monarch as their king. Thus, Poland shall be bound with us by a personal union!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Let's celebrate!"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -200 }
		command = { type = vassal which = POL }
		command = { type = dynastic which = POL }
		command = { type = alliance which = POL }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 519997 
	random = no
	country = VOL
	trigger = { event = 514000 }
	name = "Rejected!"
	desc = "The Poles have rejected the rightful claims we lay to their throne!"

	action_a = {
		name = "We will have vengeance"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -200 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 77 }
	}
}

MattyG · Jul 30, 2007

Code:

event = { #death of the first Polish in-game king
	id = 514101 
	random = no
	country = POL
	trigger = { monarch = 04110 } #not needed yet, may be later
	name = "Succession after Kazimierz IV"
	desc = "Kazimierz IV, a Pomeranian Piast adopted by Kazimierz III the Great in 1368, was unfortunately, like his predecessor, childless. Short before his death he chose Bogusław IX, a Pomeranian duke, as his successor. Bogusław IX was the son of Kazimierz's stepbrother, Bogusław VIII."
	date = { day = 15 month = may year = 1425 }

	action_a = {
		name = "A wise choice indeed!"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = BRA value = -75 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 302 }
		command = { type = addcore which = 304 }
	}
}

event = { #reaction to the Hussite movement in Poland, player-only (or should it not be ai=no?)
	id = 514050 
	random = no
	country = POL
	trigger = { ai = no } 
	name = "Support for the Hussites"
	desc = "Kazimierz IV was an educated man who saw that the teachings of Hus could bring much good. He considered helping the Hussites against the crusaders, which would allow Poland to widen it's sphere of influence toward Bohemia, but on the other hand, would direct the papal wrath against the weak Kingdom."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1420 }
	offset = 50
	deathdate = { day = 1 month january year 1430 }

	action_a = {
		name = "No, this is too risky and we are too weak"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = U10 value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = LAT value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = 15 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Help the Hussites"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = U10 value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = LAT value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = -75 }
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = 100 }
		command = { type = cash value = -200 }
		command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 514051 } #Hussites (U09) get troops and cash from Poland
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 515059 } #Will it work like this? I mean, 515059 is triggered by the Bohemian call for a crusade, will this be slept nevertheless?
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Join the Hussites!"
		command = { type = religion which = reformed }
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 299 value = reformed }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = U10 value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = LAT value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = 200 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = U10 value = 180 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 1 }
		command = { type = wakeleader which = yyyyyy } #What do you think?
		command = { type = wakeleader which = yyyyyy } # "
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 515059 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 514051 
	random = no
	country = U09
	trigger = { event = 514050 }
	name = "Poles send us help"
	desc = "The Polish people send us help against the crusaders!"

	action_a = {
		name = "We will rejoice later, let's fight!"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = cash value = 200 }
		command = { type = infantry value = 10000 }
	}
}

Emperor_krk · Jul 30, 2007

Yeah, I admit that I am the creator of the above

. I have ambitions regarding Poland in Interregnum

D) and will be very happy to contribute to this great mod. I will put here any ideas that come to my mind, I have some already, as can be seen in the events and monarchs list above.

The basics are:
-Poland in 1419 is ruled by an adopted (happened IRL in 1369) son of Kazimierz III the Great, Kaźko of Słupsk - called in-game Kazimierz IV (Kaźko being an abbreviation - now go, try to pronounce it right

)
-In 1420 there's a player only (right now; I'm leaving for discussion the question whether it should remain like this or be 'accessible' for an AI Poland as well) event, where the choice C means joining the Hussites and Poland getting their state religion; the event needs a tad more work.
-After the death (1423) of K IV his relative, the vanilla Duke of Pomerania Bogusław IX ascends the throne, giving Poland cores on Vor- and Hinterpommern; events concerning getting into Hanseatic sphere of influence are needed here.
-Until 1523 (the 100 years period is accidental, really - only noticed it as I'm writing these words

), the monarchs for Poland are ripped straight off vanilla Pomerania, ending with the (in Interregnum childless) Bogusław X's death. For afterwards I've written an event (see above) making it possible for Poland to get into a Personal Union with Halych-Volhynia or Hungary (alliance and vassalisation of Poland), or a 7-year-long anarchy, after which... As of yet, there's nothing, but I think a new dynasty can be added - to be discussed.

I hope someone comes up with some more ideas for all this

- any contributions, suggestions and help with balancing it all are welcome.

siafu · Jul 30, 2007

This sounds great. Just don't forget to put in Casimir Pulaski (Kazimierz Pułaski) as a leader in the 18th century. Here in Chicago, the public schools still have a day off on the first Monday in March for "Casimir Pulaski Day".

Tadeusz Kościuszko would be nice too. ;p

unmerged(31994) · Jul 30, 2007

Well, I was never really bought in to Poland, Im more swayed by the idea of a resurjent pagan lithuania, but hey, thats just me. Good work though

unmerged(15247) · Jul 30, 2007

Calipah said:
Well, I was never really bought in to Poland, Im more swayed by the idea of a resurjent pagan lithuania, but hey, thats just me. Good work though

indeed a pagan lithuania; i remeber how fun was lithuania in 1337 in AOI( too bad that mod never got continuation

)

Emperor_krk · Jul 30, 2007

I guess a pagan Lithuania would be cool and doable, but:
-the Liths had been defeated "finally" 50 years earlier
-it would disrupt the growth of 3 biggest regional powers: H-V, Teutonics and Cossacks

unmerged(15247) · Jul 30, 2007

Emperor_krk said:
I guess a pagan Lithuania would be cool and doable, but:
-the Liths had been defeated "finally" 50 years earlier
-it would disrupt the growth of 3 biggest regional powers: H-V, Teutonics and Cossacks

i beg the diffremce here; would create more economical base for whomever will convert them

and how about making province based events , that upon conversion would increase its base tax and give owner one centra point?

Emperor_krk · Jul 30, 2007

That would be too much goodies for just one province definitely

But let's not spam this thread with some Lithuanian crap!

Code:

historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 09496 } #He should be a useless leader but this will represent his strong will and some experienced general's guidance... :)
	category = monarch 
	name = "Kazimierz IV"
	startdate = {
		day = 16
		month = june
		year = 1420
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 18
		month = may
		year = 1425 
	}
	rank = 0
	movement = 2
	fire = 2
	shock = 4
	siege = 1
	dormant = yes #he and Spytko are activated if choice C in 514050 is made
}
historicalleader = { 
	id = { type = 6 id = 09498 } 
	category = general 
	name = "Spytko z Melsztyna" #herbu Leliwa
	startdate = { 
		year=1420 
		} 
	deathdate = { 
		day = 3
		month = may
		year=1439 
		} 
	rank = 4 
	movement = 3 
	fire = 2 
	shock = 4 
	siege = 0 
	dormant = yes
	remark = "A Polish hussite" 
} 
historicalleader = { 
	id = { type = 6 id = 09497 } 
	category = general 
	name = "Zbigniew Olesnicki" 
	startdate = { 
		year=1437 
		} 
	deathdate = { day = 10
		month = november
		year=1444 
		} 
	rank = 3
	movement =  3
	fire = 3 
	shock = 3 
	siege = 0 
	remark = "A bishop who historically defeated Spytko" 
}
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 09454 }
	category = monarch 
	name = "Eryk II"
	startdate = {
		day = 16
		month = june
		year = 1459
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 5
		month = july
		year = 1474
	}
	rank = 1
	movement = 2
	fire = 3
	shock = 2
	siege = 1
}
historicalleader = {
	id = { type = 6 id = 09459 }
	category = monarch
	name = "Boguslaw II"
	startdate = {
		day = 5
		month = july
		year = 1474
	}
	deathdate = {
		day = 5
		month = october
		year = 1523
	}
	rank = 3
	movement = 4
	fire = 2
	shock = 2
	siege = 0
}

What d'ya think? they may need some toning down though...

MattyG · Jul 31, 2007

Kosciosko, was he the Polish explorer?

As for Lithuania ... we just can't fit every cool 'what if' into one mod, I'm afraid.

siafu · Jul 31, 2007

MattyG said:
Kosciosko, was he the Polish explorer?

As for Lithuania ... we just can't fit every cool 'what if' into one mod, I'm afraid.

No, he was a Polish officer who served in the Continental Army in the American Revolution, like Pulaski, but was only a Colonel.

Emperor_krk · Jul 31, 2007

Yeah, Kościuszko was a colonel of American army, but is as well considered one of Polish national heroes, because he was the general of the rebellion against Russia and Prussia in 1794, which had some initial success but was crushed because of the poor state of Polish army (mostly peasants armed with scythes).

That same army did on the other hand deal some major defeats to the Russians, initially

.
I guess he can be included, no?

MattyG · Jul 31, 2007

Emperor_krk said:
Yeah, Kościuszko was a colonel of American army, but is as well considered one of Polish national heroes, because he was the general of the rebellion against Russia and Prussia in 1794, which had some initial success but was crushed because of the poor state of Polish army (mostly peasants armed with scythes).

That same army did on the other hand deal some major defeats to the Russians, initially .
I guess he can be included, no?

Personally, I love the inclusion of historical figures and with it the idea that these people would have arisen and made their mark no matter what.

mikl and I have long wanted to include Napoleon as a late game individual with huge talent and ambition, but it will take a lot of work to get it right.

Emperor_krk · Jul 31, 2007

Have you considered giving him to whoever controls Corsica? Is it at all possible?

Btw, a reworked event sequence for Polish hussitism:

Code:

event = {
	id = 514050 
	random = no
	country = POL
	trigger = { exists = U09 } 
	name = "Support for the Hussites"
	desc = "Kazimierz IV was an educated man who saw that the teachings of Hus could bring much good. He considered helping the Hussites against the crusaders, which would allow Poland to widen it's sphere of influence toward Bohemia, but on the other hand, would direct the papal wrath against the weak Kingdom."
	date = { day = 1 month = march year = 1421 }
	offset = 30
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1425 }

	action_a = {
		name = "No, this is too risky and we are too weak"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = U10 value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = LAT value = 25 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = 15 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = -1 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Help the Hussites"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = U10 value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = LAT value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = -75 }
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = 100 }
		command = { type = dynastic which = U09 }
		command = { type = cash value = -200 }
		command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 514051 } #Hussites (U09) get troops and cash from Poland
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 515059 } 
	}
	action_c = {
		name = "Join the Hussites!"
		command = { type = religion which = reformed }
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 299 value = reformed }
		command = { type = revoltrisk which = 180 value = 5 }
		command = { type = relation which = HUN value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = U10 value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = BAY value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = LAT value = -200 }
		command = { type = relation which = VOL value = -100 }
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = 200 }
		command = { type = casusbelli which = U10 value = 180 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = -3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = offensive value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 1 }
		command = { type = sleepevent which = 515059 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 514052 } 
	}
}
event = {
	id = 514051 
	random = no
	country = U09 #Hussites
	trigger = { event = 514050 }
	name = "Poles send us help"
	desc = "The Polish people send us help against the crusaders!"

	action_a = {
		name = "We will rejoice later, let's fight!"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = cash value = 200 }
		command = { type = infantry value = 10000 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 514052
	random = no
	country = POL
	trigger = { event = 514050 }
	name = "We befriend the Hussites"
	desc = "Let us offer an alliance to our brothers in Bohemia!"

	action_a = {
		name = "We'll fight together, for God!"
		command = { type = stability value = 3 }
		command = { type = provincereligion which = 299 value = reformed }
		command = { type = provincereligion which = -1 value = reformed }
		command = { type = MIL which = 4 value = 120 }
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 09496 } #Kazimierz IV with some talented older general's aid...
		command = { type = wakeleader which = 09498 } #Spytko z Melsztyna
		command = { type = cash value = 100 }
		command = { type = infantry value = 10000 }
		command = { type = relation which = U09 value = 100 }
		command = { type = dynastic which = U09 }
		command = { type = alliance which = U09 }
		command = { type = trigger which = 514053 } #those are reaction events for BAY,HUN,U10,LAT,VOL and BRA
		command = { type = trigger which = 514054 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = 514055 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = 514056 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = 514057 } 
		command = { type = trigger which = 514058 } 
	}
}
event = {
	id = 514053 
	random = no
	country = BAY 
	name = "Poland joins the Hussites!"
	desc = "The king of Poland has decided to convert to the heretic faith of Jan Hus! Let's destroy that traitor of God!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Another crusade..."
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 36 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Let's leave that matter"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = POL value = 50 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 514054 
	random = no
	country = HUN 
	name = "Poland joins the Hussites!"
	desc = "The king of Poland has decided to convert to the heretic faith of Jan Hus! Let's destroy that traitor of God!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Another crusade..."
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 36 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Let's leave that matter"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = POL value = 50 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = 514055 
	random = no
	country = U10 
	name = "Poland joins the Hussites!"
	desc = "The king of Poland has decided to convert to the heretic faith of Jan Hus! Let's destroy that traitor of God!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Another crusade..."
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 36 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Let's leave that matter"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = POL value = 50 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = 514056 
	random = no
	country = LAT 
	name = "Poland joins the Hussites!"
	desc = "The king of Poland has decided to convert to the heretic faith of Jan Hus! Let's destroy that traitor of God!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Another crusade..."
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 36 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Let's leave that matter"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = POL value = 50 }
	}
}

event = {
	id = 514057 
	random = no
	country = VOL
	name = "Poland joins the Hussites!"
	desc = "The king of Poland has decided to convert to the heretic faith of Jan Hus! Let's destroy that traitor of God!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Another crusade..."
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 36 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Let's leave that matter"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = POL value = 50 }
	}
}
event = {
	id = 514058 
	random = no
	country = BRA
	name = "Poland joins the Hussites!"
	desc = "The king of Poland has decided to convert to the heretic faith of Jan Hus! Let's destroy that traitor of God!"

	action_a = {
		name = "Another crusade..."
		command = { type = casusbelli which = POL value = 36 }
	}
	action_b = {
		name = "Let's leave that matter"
		command = { type = stability value = -1 }
		command = { type = relation which = PAP value = -50 }
		command = { type = relation which = POL value = 50 }
	}
}

Is it ok? I've checked and it should work...

Ah, and about that matter with Il-khanate or assassins - never experienced any bugs with this at all, no freeze or CTD in 1423 in, like, 5 games...

Emperor_krk · Jul 31, 2007

Thought it would be useful to collect all my work together, so you could check it yourselves if you want. There are four files: leaders.pol, monarchs.pol, a Polish event file, and a bit changed pol_1419.inc file in the package...

HERE they are.

Please, tell me what you think of them. All the events should work.

unmerged(15247) · Aug 2, 2007

Emperor_krk said:
Thought it would be useful to collect all my work together, so you could check it yourselves if you want. There are four files: leaders.pol, monarchs.pol, a Polish event file, and a bit changed pol_1419.inc file in the package...

HERE they are.

Please, tell me what you think of them. All the events should work.

events look good

soon will we have a playable poland here in aberation as well; if i may make a small sugestion:

since abberation or interegnum makes an alternate history overall( countries that by 1820 are gone) how about make poland not be so good in first 200 years and reverse it to the vanila regarding the fact it was divided 3 TIMES in real history by ww2; what i mean how about poland gets events in the partition of bavaria , or teutonics, or hungary towards the end game ( last 100 years)

that should give a kick to play it to some polish hard core fans

Emperor_krk · Aug 2, 2007

That definitely is a good idea.
Well. I've played both as Poland and as TO after implementing those events/monarchs/leaders. As Poland it was fairly easy - too easy, I must even say. As the TO, I easily crushed Poland just after their hussite events - but the AI won't attack them, they won't do anything despite -100 or worse relations and CB. Therefore, perhaps the TO could get (as AI) event that would make them attack Poland. I mean command = { type = war which = POL }, or however it looks like - I don't remember as of now. I guess they would destroy Poland easily, even before the coup of the cardinal in the end of 1426...

So, Poland can be weakened considerably in the first years. Then, if it survives, it will be a one-prov minor with wrong religion (Krakow gets reformed while Poland as a country stays catholic) - which is another thing that makes them weak.

In 1476 they get a 8-8-7 monarch, who lasts until 1523 - for a player a great occasion to regain some land etc, for AI it doesn't mean much. When he dies in 1523, there is either 7 years of anarchy or vassalisation to HUN or VOL... Then it should easily get annexed - perhaps by event. If it goes the civil war way however... I don't know yet. I'm waiting for some vein to help me think of new events

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MattyG · Aug 2, 2007

beregic said:
soon will we have a playable poland here in aberation as well; if i may make a small sugestion:

Someone is also working on Aberration?

since abberation or interegnum makes an alternate history overall( countries that by 1820 are gone) how about make poland not be so good in first 200 years and reverse it to the vanila regarding the fact it was divided 3 TIMES in real history by ww2; what i mean how about poland gets events in the partition of bavaria , or teutonics, or hungary towards the end game ( last 100 years)

that should give a kick to play it to some polish hard core fans

You always have crazy creative ideas, beregic, and this time I think you have come up with a great one for this mod.

Allow me to extend it a little.

Let us remember that in all likelihood, Poland will be consumed in the first 120 years, though conquest or the hated DA process. And the storyline you suggest will probably need to form around a rebellion, so we need to include that in our calculations.

It would be great to tie this to a historical figure, either a political one or a general, or both. Function has to take first place, but flavour is also important.

The right timing for all of this is the latter part of the religious uheaval of the reformation. Game-wise, it is much better to have one sequence that shakes up Europe followed by another, rather than have them layered on one another.

So, from about 1630 onwards.

Poland would break out from the yoke of another and get a number of great generals and a good monarch and go a bit hog-wild for a while, in the fashion of France under Napoleon, or Sweden under Gustav.

This would be mostly a central/eastern European event, while in the west the unsettling (and a more-than-coincidental reason for Poland's succeess) would be the arrival of the long-considered plague events - a plague that comes from the New World.)

Eventually, the fire will need to burn itself out, but a solid Poland would be the remains, either through success or, if it fails, through a conservative restoration process similar to post-Napoleonic France.

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