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French lack of cities and mediocre industrialization rates do not explain their pathetic population growth. Russia was far more rural and backward, and it grew the fastest. Actually, French population growth rates lagged behind these of other European countries even before 1800. From about 1600 to 1950, France was the slowest growing of any European country. For example, in 1600 it had a population of 19 million, while England had only 3. By 1800, English population had grown to 9 million (plus a few million in US), while the French only reached 27. (300% vs 50% growth). I actually believe that the lack of population more than anything else led to French decline. Think about it, if its population growth from 1600 on would match that of England, EVEN while disregarding millions of Englishmen emigrating to US, Canada, Australia, etc. – it would have over 250 million people right now – almost the population of US. Pretty weird.
 
Yeah, in 1500 France had about 6 times the population of England, so if it had maintained this ratio (including much lower emigration from France) it would have over 300 million today. Of course, this really just indicates that England was underpopulated at the beginning of the EU era.
 
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In 1500 France had also twice the population of Russia and almost twice the population of Germany(which back then included Austria, Alsace-Lorrain, Switzerland, etc) So the latter means that right now it should have 160+ million without even counting 1)much higher levels of German emigration 2)10 million Germans killed in WW2 (vs 200,000 French).
 
Originally posted by Bourbon
French lack of cities and mediocre industrialization rates do not explain their pathetic population growth. Russia was far more rural and backward, and it grew the fastest. Actually, French population growth rates lagged behind these of other European countries even before 1800. From about 1600 to 1950, France was the slowest growing of any European country. For example, in 1600 it had a population of 19 million, while England had only 3. By 1800, English population had grown to 9 million (plus a few million in US), while the French only reached 27. (300% vs 50% growth). I actually believe that the lack of population more than anything else led to French decline. Think about it, if its population growth from 1600 on would match that of England, EVEN while disregarding millions of Englishmen emigrating to US, Canada, Australia, etc. – it would have over 250 million people right now – almost the population of US. Pretty weird.


Sweden also suffered pretty bad from emigration... over one million emigrated to USA, (not sure but i think it was over 1 million)
it was mostly poor people who emigrated..
 
Originally posted by Bourbon
In 1500 France had also twice the population of Russia and almost twice the population of Germany(which back then included Austria, Alsace-Lorrain, Switzerland, etc)
That's odd, according to my source France in 1500 had 16.4 million, while Germany (apparently excluding Austria and Bohemia) had 12 million.

If anyone's interested in population figures for the early EU time period:

Year 1500 1550 1600 1650

Scandinavia 1.5 1.7 2.0 2.6
England and Wales 2.6 3.2 4.4 5.6
Low Countries 2.35 2.9 3.1 3.9
Germany 12.0 14.0 16.0 12.0
France 16.4 19.0 19.0 20.0
Italy 10.5 11.4 13.1 11.3
Spain 6.8 7.4 8.1 7.1
Austria and Bohemia 3.5 3.6 4.3 4.1
 
The reason for the slowing of French population growth was not war, but laws. The revolutionary government outlawed primogeniture, so families only had one son so they wouldnt have ot split family lands.
 
Originally posted by Calvin
Out of curiosity, how many people does France have right now?

55-60 million or so......the same as the United Kingdom shorn of the Republic of Ireland.
 
Originally posted by Karolinen
France, The UK and Italy all have about 60 million inhabitats each.
Which were the proportions a century ago?
And how many Germans would there be today if WWII hadn't happened?
100 million? 120 million?

Im pretty sure there are more then a 100 million in Germany today
 
Re: Re: Population statistics

Originally posted by paganmartyr5
Im pretty sure there are more then a 100 million in Germany today

I don't think so. More like eighty-five million or so (copyright 1998 world atlas gives the population at 83536000.) If it was one hundred million plus, that would be a world record for population growth-unless that's where all the Ukrainians have gone!:)
 
Dark Knight - Maybe the 2:1 ratio was not exactly at 1500. A while ago I saw the statistics for European late Middle Ages (I forgot the date) and there it indicated that France had 18 mil and Germany 10 mil.

Germany right night has 82-83 mil, 10% of them non-German.
UK and France 59-60 million each.