Possible bug in CORE re Yugoslavia etc.?

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I've just had to play again from the beginning because I encoutnered a bug while playing Germany. I decided to try to ally myself with as many nations as possible in Europe, so as to avoid the hefty dissent-penalty incurred from "liberating" puppet nations. I therefore managed to ally myself with Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, as well as Nationalist Spain and Portugal. For some reason I couldn't ally with Hungary or Finland, even at +200 scores for influence, so I presume they only ally with Germany, and then automatically regardless of the influence score, once I invade Russia or Yugoslavia as well, in the case of Hungary.

Anyway, just before entering WWII, I immediately allied with Japan, which, after declaring war on the Netherlands, declared war on the US, bringing it on on the side of the Allies, which was odd(though AI aggressiveness was set at "Normal", I suppose. After conquering Poland, my former Yugoslav ally immeidately left my alliance, due to a coup(which, of course, happened historically), but I was no longer able to declare war on it. Instead a message appaeared when I tried to click on the declare war button that said I couldn't declare war on Yugoslavia until September 1939(it was already october 1939). So please fix this, if at all possible.

Also, I in that Yugoslavia game, I was relatively easily able to ally with Romania(c.37% chance of success, or was it 42 or 47%?). In my next game I was unable to ally wirh Romania at all, even at +200 score for influence(ie 0% chance of success, even with a different foreign minister). I also had zero chance of influencing any of the Baltic States in 1938, despite the fact that Latvia and Lithuania are fascist governments, Historically, I seem to recallt hat they asked Germany for aid against the Soviets, but Germany refused and did the MR pact - I may be wrong on this historical detail, but, if not, greater flexibility is needed to allow Germany to ally with them if it wants to.

Lastly, for anyone who's had a lot of games playing as Germany, what countries in the world have a fair chance of becoming allied to the Axis, apart from the usual suspects in Eastern Europe. I've already tried allying with Turkey, but with an only 11% chance of alliance before it becomes a democracy at the end of 1938, it's hopeless. I need figures of 20% or more, as a chance of success(I would have thought that Ataturk would have been quite hostile to russia, given WWI experiences on the Russian front).

 

[MateDow]

I've just had to play again from the beginning because I encoutnered a bug while playing Germany.

What is the bug that you encountered?

I decided to try to ally myself with as many nations as possible in Europe, so as to avoid the hefty dissent-penalty incurred from "liberating" puppet nations. I therefore managed to ally myself with Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, as well as Nationalist Spain and Portugal. For some reason I couldn't ally with Hungary or Finland, even at +200 scores for influence, so I presume they only ally with Germany, and then automatically regardless of the influence score, once I invade Russia or Yugoslavia as well, in the case of Hungary.

There are different things which effect the likelyhood of a country accepting your offer. There are isolation settings in the AI files. This is the same setting which keeps Switzerland from accepting your offers. I am not familiar with what those settings are or when they are changed, but that sounds like it could be what is effecting that.

Anyway, just before entering WWII, I immediately allied with Japan, which, after declaring war on the Netherlands, declared war on the US, bringing it on on the side of the Allies, which was odd(though AI aggressiveness was set at "Normal", I suppose.

The US will often join the Allies at this stage (the enemy of my enemy) and usually have good relations with the Allied nations.

After conquering Poland, my former Yugoslav ally immeidately left my alliance, due to a coup(which, of course, happened historically), but I was no longer able to declare war on it. Instead a message appaeared when I tried to click on the declare war button that said I couldn't declare war on Yugoslavia until September 1939(it was already october 1939). So please fix this, if at all possible.

Interesting, I don't know if this is something that we can fix or if it is a problem with the program itself.


[quote[Also, I in that Yugoslavia game, I was relatively easily able to ally with Romania(c.37% chance of success, or was it 42 or 47%?). In my next game I was unable to ally wirh Romania at all, even at +200 score for influence(ie 0% chance of success, even with a different foreign minister). I also had zero chance of influencing any of the Baltic States in 1938, despite the fact that Latvia and Lithuania are fascist governments, Historically, I seem to recallt hat they asked Germany for aid against the Soviets, but Germany refused and did the MR pact - I may be wrong on this historical detail, but, if not, greater flexibility is needed to allow Germany to ally with them if it wants to.[/quote]

I can not say why this is so. I would guess that you are being more agressive than normal; this raises your beligerence and makes nations less likely to ally themselves with you.

Lastly, for anyone who's had a lot of games playing as Germany, what countries in the world have a fair chance of becoming allied to the Axis, apart from the usual suspects in Eastern Europe. I've already tried allying with Turkey, but with an only 11% chance of alliance before it becomes a democracy at the end of 1938, it's hopeless. I need figures of 20% or more, as a chance of success(I would have thought that Ataturk would have been quite hostile to russia, given WWI experiences on the Russian front).

 

[Hagar]

I've just had to play again from the beginning because I encoutnered a bug while playing Germany. I decided to try to ally myself with as many nations as possible in Europe, so as to avoid the hefty dissent-penalty incurred from "liberating" puppet nations. I therefore managed to ally myself with Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia, as well as Nationalist Spain and Portugal. For some reason I couldn't ally with Hungary or Finland, even at +200 scores for influence, so I presume they only ally with Germany, and then automatically regardless of the influence score, once I invade Russia or Yugoslavia as well, in the case of Hungary.

Finland is only receptible to German avances during the Winter War. During the Great Patriotic War the Finns did declare war on the USSR, but didn't join the Axis. It steered it's own course by recapturing former Finnish territory lost in the Winter War, but went no further. As a result it regained it's independence after the war, as this Finnish stance saved Leningrad for the Soviets (the Finns could have closed the supply line from Lake Ladoga, and refused to do so despite heavy German pressure).

Also, I in that Yugoslavia game, I was relatively easily able to ally with Romania(c.37% chance of success, or was it 42 or 47%?). In my next game I was unable to ally wirh Romania at all, even at +200 score for influence(ie 0% chance of success, even with a different foreign minister). I also had zero chance of influencing any of the Baltic States in 1938, despite the fact that Latvia and Lithuania are fascist governments, Historically, I seem to recallt hat they asked Germany for aid against the Soviets, but Germany refused and did the MR pact - I may be wrong on this historical detail, but, if not, greater flexibility is needed to allow Germany to ally with them if it wants to.

It is highly dependent on factors as beligerence, government in power, relations to neighboring nations and such. Romania for one is very volatile in terms of government, Hungary might lean towards the tripartite pact instead of an alignment towards Germany.

 

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Well, anyway, I hope you'll fix the Yugoslavia bug I mentioned. It seems ridiculous not to be able to declare war on Yugoslavia, just because I was formerly allied to it, before it broke away from the Axis due to that historically-based coup.

As for the Baltic States, I really do think it should have been easier to ally with them as Germany, as they were fascist governments(or paternal autarchy, in the case of Estonia). Of course, initially, I spent most of the pre-war years, in the current game, trying to ally with Nationalist Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria and Greece, so, as belligerence-scores went up, I may have lost my chance or something - it's possible that, the last time I allied with Romania pre-WWII was only possible because it was in c.1936-1937, rather than 1938. I deliberately played the same way in all my games, choosing the historically correct options for events, so it can't be that. Perhaps I'll wait until the Winter War and/or the Barbarossa campaign to see if it works with different governments after coups etc.

Oh, and does the CORE game include certain in-game factors which help the chance of alliance? For example, let's say that Germany airdropped some Paras onto Gibraltar and took the province, would that make Nationalist Spain more likely to ally with the Germans or is that taken care of in the game? I mean, I would assume that a country like Sweden, say, might ally with the Axis if Germany took control of both London and Moscow.

Another thing, Hitler is supposed to have had some kind of disease, perhaps Parkinsons' or syphilis, which may have started in c.1937, becoming worse near the end of the war. This means that he likely wouldn't have been able to stay in office for more than a few years after 1945. So it might be a good idea to have a relatively random death-date for Hitler sometime between 1945 and 1950, and an option to choose from Goebbels/Himmler etc. as his successor.

 

[Hagar]

Well, anyway, I hope you'll fix the Yugoslavia bug I mentioned. It seems ridiculous not to be able to declare war on Yugoslavia, just because I was formerly allied to it, before it broke away from the Axis due to that historically-based coup.

Logged it in Mantis for that very reason. Thanx!