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Ddraig5400

Ddraig5400

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Undoubtedly most of the new units in the upcoming dlc will be in the new divisions, but I'm really hoping that there will be a few added to existing divisions. I personally am hoping for the British 4.5in Field Gun to be added, I'm still not sure why it hasn't been present since launch.

Anyway, I'm curious of other people's speculations, any thoughts of what might appear?
 
M4 sherman (as in the original welded model with R-975)
m4a1 76w
hetzer
lefh 18m (the towed piece)
 
4.5in gun seems like a logical ingame equivalent to the sK 18.

On the German side, I've never understood why the leFH 18 was absent from game. Perhaps the new Luftwaffe Felddivision will receive them. Panzer II Luchs I think is destined for 9th Panzer.

The American M12 spg is something that comes to mind for 4th AD, but I don't know if that division used them. I'm pretty sure that they were present during the later days of Normandy though.
 
the only division currently in game that actually deserve the Sk18 is the 716, and that's because they don't even have medium tanks.

The Lefh 18 would make it easier to balance the axis division as it give them a comparable howitzer to the US 105 or 25 pounder. The 352 should get lefh instead of the sk18.
 
IronHat said:
the only division currently in game that actually deserve the Sk18 is the 716, and that's because they don't even have medium tanks.

The Lefh 18 would make it easier to balance the axis division as it give them a comparable howitzer to the US 105 or 25 pounder. The 352 should get lefh instead of the sk18.
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The whole point of 716 are Lorraines. Leave sk18 in 352 :)
 
IronHat said:
the only division currently in game that actually deserve the Sk18 is the 716, and that's because they don't even have medium tanks.

The Lefh 18 would make it easier to balance the axis division as it give them a comparable howitzer to the US 105 or 25 pounder. The 352 should get lefh instead of the sk18.
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352 got sk18, not 716, and 352 get jgpanther so they get heavy TD and the best arty at the same time... lol
 
Ddraig5400 said:
I personally am hoping for the British 4.5in Field Gun to be added, I'm still not sure why it hasn't been present since launch.
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Because we've restricted on-map towed tube artillery to 105mm. Everything higher is off-map.
Only exceptions are SP 150m (which doubled as assault guns) and German direct-fire Infanteriegeschütz 33.
 
Ddraig5400 said:
@EUG_MadMat , but what about the sFH 396? That's 122mm.
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russian bias before russia is even in the game.


and diameter isn't really a good sole metric to use for limiting howitzer. the sk-18 weight about the same as the US and UK 4.5inch.

And the rule isn't much of a rule when the exception are pretty common (for the germans). The 12SS, greyhound, and lehr all get 2x hummel in phase C. 21pz and 716 get the lorraine. 91luft get the 122mm. the 17SS, 3FJ, and the 352 follow the "rule", and even then the 352 get probably the heaviest 105mm tube arty used in the war.

if we include the infantry gun exception, both 17ss and the 352 get s.IG 33 or grille.

at this point, the 3FJ is the only german division that actually really follow the rule and not the exception.

o0970o said:
352 got sk18, not 716, and 352 get jgpanther so they get heavy TD and the best arty at the same time... lol
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my point is that the sk18 should be removed from the 352 and given to the 716.
 
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M4 Combat tractor but with a differant, gimped howitzer because the only long barreled howitzer USA had was a 155 Long tom wich conveniently for Axis is affected by another arbitrary restriction that makes no sense. # remove offmap not make more.
 
Miskyavine said:
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M4 Combat tractor but with a differant, gimped howitzer because the only long barreled howitzer USA had was a 155 Long tom wich conveniently for Axis is affected by another arbitrary restriction that makes no sense. # remove offmap not make more.
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well, the m12 is a SPG with a 155m and used in french. Not sure how common they were.

just saying that Allies are only given sub 105mm towed howitzer for balance just as valid. Instead of an arbitrary rule that's full of exception for one side.
 
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IronHat said:
russian bias before russia is even in the game.


and diameter isn't really a good sole metric to use for limiting howitzer. the sk-18 weight about the same as the US and UK 4.5inch.

And the rule isn't much of a rule when the exception are pretty common (for the germans). The 12SS, greyhound, and lehr all get 2x hummel in phase C. 21pz and 716 get the lorraine. 91luft get the 122mm. the 17SS, 3FJ, and the 352 follow the "rule", and even then the 352 get probably the heaviest 105mm tube arty used in the war.

if we include the infantry gun exception, both 17ss and the 352 get s.IG 33 or grille.

at this point, the 3FJ is the only german division that actually really follow the rule and not the exception.



my point is that the sk18 should be removed from the 352 and given to the 716.
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The dumbest rules are the ones that can't be followed. Artillery restrictions should be based on shell weight rather than calibre. I mean, it's a little odd how the Allies don't have their mainstay long-range artillery, but then the Germans don't have their basic artillery either. there are so many gun's missing. Furthermore, the 4.5in is just so beautiful.

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Guddi said:
Wich Div. had one of those, please confirm with deteail link, because production began to run from April 44. So the time was a bit short until June/July for Normandy. No Fantasy Units please on the Battlefield other wise we could as for Mouse as well !
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None in the West.
First ones were rushed in Warsaw.
 
Well, for new units, vickers K GO team, either a 2 man or 4/6 man with 2 K GOs will be a thing I assume as a more unique fire support, I would hazard a guess that it keeps speed and firepower given the way it was used and why it was selected for use by commando units. Possibly an actual set in infantry squads akin to the bren gun team(so think airborne bren gun squad but with vetting and a pair of mg42).

Otherwise, I have no idea for the commando brigade beyond "commando units" which are relatively easy to look up for section and subsection level equipment.

So, vehicles for them, DD tank, centaur 95mm, a few Shermans used for arty observation, Funnies such as the AVRE and crocodile will likely be in there given their support on D-Day and the first week IIRC. Possibly get mk VII churchills as their own tank in highly limited numbers as a indie tank regiment might have support them at some point? Possibly gain tetrarch support from airborne(given the closeness of the 2 forces in normandy mutual support was a big thing apparently).

For anti tank, piat teams, possibly airborne 6/17 pounder support.
 
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