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My latest Cyprus game. After several aborted attempts that wouldn't let me core Urbino I went via Ireland to Jolof. Can't say I'm enthused about 1.4. Not being able to vassalize sub-saharan tech and having to core everything manually sucks in games like this. On the other hand, the permanent cultural cores allowed me to feed Persia and the Mameluks in the late game.

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Very impressive. I tried this a couple of times but tried remaining in the starting region. Unfortunately, The Mamluks weren't too keen on upholding their guarantee when Venice came knocking. A further game, I tried conquering urbino but got defeated by them because I had moved all my troops to naples and they managed to siege my capital before I could siege them lol.
 
Very impressive. I tried this a couple of times but tried remaining in the starting region. Unfortunately, The Mamluks weren't too keen on upholding their guarantee when Venice came knocking. A further game, I tried conquering urbino but got defeated by them because I had moved all my troops to naples and they managed to siege my capital before I could siege them lol.

I went straight for the Irish minors (annexing one and vasalising one iirc) - helped by a military access deal with England. I got this just before the Mamluks declared war. I was lucky enough to then find Jolof having broken free as England soon after conquered my newly taken Ireland (else Benin would've been an option).
 
So it ends. Not bad. Ajuuraan is fun and I recommend them. By the end of this game, the Ottomans were practically my vassal. I won all their wars for them, against Russia, Austria, Portugal, Castille, France, and more. I gave them all kinds of land in peace deals. Force limit may have been 82... but my armies were unstoppable. Usually had about 100 army tradition and 12 morale. Those are France/Prussia kinds of numbers. I could have gotten 32/32/32 tech, but I preferred to conquer more land towards the end so coring/peace deals took that away. I thoroughly thrashed all the bullies that messed with me when I was weak. Somali culture stretches from the Cape of Africa to Hawaii and everything in between. Sunni Theocracy, weird but it works.

Fun fun fun (don't give up! I gave a province to Ottomans and portugal, that's fine. you can get your revenge in time.)





I can't explain Europe. What the hell.



 
Finally my Sunset Invasion achievement. It was hard but I believe the last DLC made it easier than it used to be.


Instantly vassalized my neighbors. Later attacked every native American tribe that wandered by. Colonized south and north (south to meet the westerners, north to meet more conquerable lands). Met the English, got Protestant through them, allied them and westernized. Became the American superoower. Then without CB I took Rome quite early. Vassalized them, gave them their cores and built my base in Italy. Second stop Lisbon. With the help of France I sloooooowly ate away the Iberians.

Then Antwerp, then Paris, then London by 1776. Constant overextension. First big allies were Britain (almost all through the game) and France and Bohemia. Later Russia and Austria.

Luck:
No Iberian wedding so some parts of Aragon were left (not so lucky that Castille still became Spain and moved their capital to Madrid).
Brabant owned Antwerp so I got it quite easily.
Russia liked me.
Brandenburg late game emperor, so I was less hesitant to take HRE territory.

Not so lucky:
Spain was a beast, bigger than France
No PUs in the whole game. My clan was sitting on the French throne but I never got a chance to claim it.

It was a fun game although I hate it when my lands are distributed all over the place. Very ugly borders.

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Finally my Sunset Invasion achievement. It was hard but I believe the last DLC made it easier than it used to be.


Instantly vassalized my neighbors. Later attacked every native American tribe that wandered by. Colonized south and north (south to meet the westerners, north to meet more conquerable lands). Met the English, got Protestant through them, allied them and westernized. Became the American superoower. Then without CB I took Rome quite early. Vassalized them, gave them their cores and built my base in Italy. Second stop Lisbon. With the help of France I sloooooowly ate away the Iberians.

Then Antwerp, then Paris, then London by 1776. Constant overextension. First big allies were Britain (almost all through the game) and France and Bohemia. Later Russia and Austria.

Luck:
No Iberian wedding so some parts of Aragon were left (not so lucky that Castille still became Spain and moved their capital to Madrid).
Brabant owned Antwerp so I got it quite easily.
Russia liked me.
Brandenburg late game emperor, so I was less hesitant to take HRE territory.

Not so lucky:
Spain was a beast, bigger than France
No PUs in the whole game. My clan was sitting on the French throne but I never got a chance to claim it.

It was a fun game although I hate it when my lands are distributed all over the place. Very ugly borders.

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How come you had any overextension? I thought that if your lands aren't connected to your capital, you don't get any.

There aren't many discussions on how to get this achievement on this forum. Is there a chance you could post a quick guide (1 page) how you did it (like ideas, tech, when to westernize, when to attack Europe, etc.)?
 
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I just post it here - feel free to copy it to some other thread if there's interest. I dind't take screenshots mid game and only vaguely remember most of the timings, but here we go

(oh and the overextension is there, believe me. The provinces you take in Europe count as overseas, so they are cheap in diplo points per per peace deal. But they are still expensive to core. I paid 540 Points to core Paris ^^)



My idea groups
Exploration
Expansion
Defensive
Diplomatic
Administrative
Offensive
Innovative

Before unpausing
Take Mission to attack Zapotec province.
Ally Maya.

Initial moves
Attack Zapotec and vassalize them. Immediately before peacing out, call in the Maya. They will refuse so you have a CB to get them too. Vassalize both and annex later. You have lots of time.

Save Money, you won't have much to do anyway. If there's any Indian tribe migrating by you, attack and annex (or vassalize, but I hate it when they move away).

Early game
Don't go for diplo 4, save that stuff until you hit admin 4 so you can easily buy a couple of ideas. Start colonizing like crazy. You're rather rich so I always had 3-4 colonies building.

Go south to meet the Europeans (as per 1.4 they are rather late in the south of the continent). Also go north to meet the Native Americans. Beware: Some of them are quite strong so don't underestimate a 10K stack of Creek or something like that.

As soon as you border a European nation: pray and improve relations. Hope for the event to switch your religion. You can't be choosy - take what you get. In my case I got it Protestant from the English. Europe was almost completely Catholic but you really want a Christian religion ASAP so you can make friends with a superpower. Westernize ASAP.

Mid game
I did a lot of colonies, attacked the Incas and the tribes north. When I felt that the Vatican was weak after a war and had only one alliance (Siena), I shipped over a stack of maybe 10 troops and vassalized the Vatican. Don't bother returning your ships, they'll sink (I didn't get any fleet access from anyone).

Vassalized Siena. Annexed and vassalized the Pope (had to do that because of the proximity parameter in Europe as well as releasing Rome Protestant. Wouldn't have been able to convert it). Start improving relations with France as they will be your most important fighting buddy. When Naples is weak, attack them for some Vatican land. You ideally have a solid power base in middle Italy.

I then tried to vassalize Aragon but wasn't successful. However I always used them to engage Portugal in a war (they were allied with my ally Britain as well as a very strong Spain). Pray that Portugal doesn't become war leader - I had no casus belli to prevent that, just good old conquest of Sardinia.

Take one province in Portugal and fight your war around Lisbon. These are some of the hardest hours in the game as you're up against Portugal, Spain and probably Burgundy. I used a lot of Mercs because I was rather rich (I'm bad at trade but owning Chesapeake Bay and Mexico and Panama and the Misssissippi Delta gives you a very solid income.

Don't fool yourself into thinking your troops are any good. They are crap. I have to say that I did some reloads mid battle when I saw the battle went down the toilet. As you're almost exclusively fighting lucky nations, I could settle this with my conscience. Without those reloads in crucial battles I'd not have gone anywhere ...

Take your time with this. I took Madrid third and it was rather late in the game I remember. But it's easier to put up with the Europeans late game because your tech catches up. I had almost always solid Kings in the area of 3-4-3 or 5-3-2 something like that, no 1-1-1s ever. Also I was running on lvl 3 advisors almost all the time, plus hiring mercs.

I really don't know why I was able to spend all that. Didn't build any trade ships as they would be sunk in every war anyway. I build trade buildings in all the crucial provinces, built tax buildings in the rich provinces. Late game I swam in diplo points and culture converted the heavies like Rome.

I took Antwerp third. Pray the Netherlands didn't form. In my case I took it from Brabant and released the Netherlands as a vassal. Got them 4 additional provinces in further wars. Then it's time to take on France.

Late game
Ally switch to Austria. They hated me quite a bit before but after cancelling my alliance with France and attacking Austria's rival Burgundy for some Netherland cores, they turned friendly. It depends on the strength of your allies but then you should hit France. I had Austria fielding about 80K, I had Russia fielding almost 200K but they never got access to central Europe. They're primarily there to scare off potential attackers. I had Britain for the sea power. I had Bohemia and Sweden. Those are a lot of big allies and they almost always make war amongst each other. So it has to be you to go to war. Every 5 year, bang, war, call in the allies. Britain and Sweden were constantly fighting amongst each other, so they were not the biggest help.

As the game is rather late, you won't be able to release many vassals from France. Core what you take. Encircle Paris and finally take Paris. All this is very expensive as France has some regional aristocracy that cost +100% Adm. I had to take ca. 5 provinces which all in all cost more than 1000 Adm!

By then the game is really easy. Take Kent, take everything around London - and breathe a sigh of relief when London falls.


General
Your borders are horrendous and you should still be able to concentrate your forces. Try to convert everything that is not where your main army is. Meaning: Convert the Islands to your culture, perhaps even convert Italy. I had not a single rebellion in Italy all game long. There's nothing more annoying than when you fight in Antwerp and Rome rebels.

I guess there's a lot of luck involved, but you adapt. Always take the weakest targets - Rome is a good first one but from there you could also go for Antwerp with help of the French. I preferred Iberia as this was closer and they were so strong, I had to crush them or be crushed later.

When in Europe, don't leave too many troops back home in America. I had about 30K all over the continent end game and 200K in Europe (50-70K of which were mercs).
 
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Congrats, very impressive! WC just seems to be out of my reach :(
How did you keep the colonies of the colonizers? :eek:
I stopped every colonizer except for Castile. I let it colonize as much as it wanted, just to later get each colonial nation in one go. 1st war: Brazil. 2nd war: La Plata. 3rd war: Caribbean. North America I colonized myself. Endless money from HRE payed for my colonies.
 
Could you post a short guide on how to do this ? I dont see how you can stop Portugal and England form colonising as Tuscany that is not really strong in the early stage of the game. Also how to stop Muscovy from expanding east ? And did you got PUs ?
Congrats, and dat ending date *_*
 
Could you post a short guide on how to do this ? I dont see how you can stop Portugal and England form colonising as Tuscany that is not really strong in the early stage of the game. Also how to stop Muscovy from expanding east ? And did you got PUs ?
Congrats, and dat ending date *_*
Thank you. So, to do this, you want to expand really fast to get your economy going asap. It's a really gamey start, but here it goes:

1- Day 1 rival Urbino, that will give you a Conquest Urbino mission. Pick that. Ally Austria. DoW Urbino. Call to arms.

2- As soon as your diplomats comeback, ally Milan and Savoy. Call to arms. When they come back, Ally Venice and Mantua. Call to arms. Urbino might ally Aragon or Hungary and call them to arms. No problem, all you want is Ancona and you have some allies. You'll go over your dip relations, but it's worth it. Build a couple infantry and cavalry. Don't bother with advisors for the time being.

3- Rival Siena and Modena. Fabricate claims on them. Check their alliances. If they have allied any of your allies, don't peace out Urbino yet. Else, annex Urbino. DoW Siena, siege. DoW Modena, siege. Call only Austria, Savoy and Venice to these wars. Important: Don't call Mantua. Optional: fabricate claims on Genoa.

4- Wait a couple months, call Mantua to arms. They'll reject, giving you a casus belli. DoW Mantua, siege. Check Milan's alliances. It should be allied to Austria and you, no one else. If they allied Burgundy or France, you'll have to make another plan. Else, call Milan to arms when they will reject. DoW Milan, siege. Optional: DoW Genoa, siege, annex.

5- After all those sieges are done, you can annex Siena and Modena. Vassalize Ferrara, Mantua and Milan.

Here's the explanation... you want to ally everyone up north for 3 important reasons: reduced AE (no crazy coalitions), easy casus belli (also no claims getting discovered) and to be allied to your enemies allies. There's some chances that this step-by-step won't work as planned as alliances change from game to game. The point is to get into war against weak nations (Siena and Modena) using your next target's allies. By doing this, when you DoW Milan, for example, Austria can't join the war against you because it's already in another war on your side.

Now you're a pretty big nation in HRE almost at game start. No need for any HRE allies anymore. Just call them into wars they'll reject, so you can break alliances without relations penalty. Ally France and Burgundy. Try to keep them busy to stop them from going into war against each other. Your next targets are Papal States and Venice. After these, go for Naples. This one should get Portugal into war against you (probably allied to Aragon). Get Porto and Bragança. DoW Castile, make it release Galicia and Granada. Feed Porto and Bragança to Galicia. DoW Galicia, vassalize it. You can just core Portugal yourself or feed it to Galicia from now on.

England is actually pretty easy, just go ahead coring everything. If England didn't annex Scotland yet, get access from Scotland and get your entire army there. Else, you need to build some ships to beat them in the sea. Italy has so much money and coastal cities that it shouldn't be too hard.

Muscovy is tricky. By 1490, you need to make some alliances with Denmark and Lithuania. Increase relations with Novgorod and enforce peace when Muscovy DoW it. Call Lithuania and Denmark to arms and make them release Perm. Get any colonies they might have built and sell it to Perm. In my game, I was really unlucky. Lithuania got beat up by Crimea+Ottomans and Denmark allied Muscovy. So I had no allies. I had to beat it by myself around 1530. Muscovy was already in the middle of Siberia when I finally got a province there. You can see it on my screenshot, a random italian province up on Siberia. It was my blockage. Every time Muscovy annexed Sibir, I'd DoW and make it return cores/release.
 
Well, that Sunset Invasion was achieved using a pretty huge exploit (resulting in easy, endless money supply). I stopped by 1550 because it just wasn't any fun, waiting for some DLC for Meso-Americans I guess.
 
Ming, 1693.



It's only me or it becomes a bit boring when you only can expand, reduce overextension, expand, reduce...

Should you really expect any different with ming?