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Snall

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Will they be characters in their own rights BEFORE their father dies? As in they can have and rule lands before his death instead of only after. (ie giving the one with best claim the kingdom and the rest get some demense provs) Also can we choose who will inheriet? (Depending on stats) or is it only oldest? Of course if we choose other then the eldest there would be problems..er..more so then usual =-P
 
Originally posted by Jinnai
Well succession can be chosen "out-of-order," supposably, even a non-child (like a nephew), although i'm not sure.

True, but it could lead to nasty results.... Muhahaha
 
well sometimes it will be a must that your nepehew is your heir, specially if no child by you :p, also always can send your older nerd son to war to see if with luck he dies or conquers a kingdom you can give him :p
 
Certainly your sons would be Dukes and Counts if you were to give them the titles and lands - which you probably should do if you don't want them upset at you.

It will be interesting to see your children age throughout the game as you mold them for their role in life (Medieval SIMS?). In EU the monarchs just pop onto the scene. Here they are groomed from birth for the task of ruling a kingdom or the Church.:)
 
Originally posted by Snall
Will they be characters in their own rights BEFORE their father dies? As in they can have and rule lands before his death instead of only after. (ie giving the one with best claim the kingdom and the rest get some demense provs) Also can we choose who will inheriet? (Depending on stats) or is it only oldest? Of course if we choose other then the eldest there would be problems..er..more so then usual =-P

Im not sure. Of course everybody granted their sons titles before they died, but in many cases it was only nominal. How many times did Henry II's sons revolt over exactly this issue? And those ingrate brats had no room to complain when compared to the majority of their peers. Their futures were well-provided for.

The German emperors did the same, but they were always their sons' (& cousins' & nephews') wards until they came of age, so effectively retained control. For example, Frederick I enfieffed all of his sons except Philip, who was intended for the church, at an early age, but until they were knighted near the end of his reign, he controlled their fiefs. There are examples of imperial sons who exzercized power in their own right; Henry III was ruling 3 duchies by himself before his father's death.
 
This raises a question: Frederick I (1152-1190) and Henry II (1154-1189) were contemporaries. Each ruled a huge "empire", had several sons, enfieffed them early, but effectively retained control of said fiefs. Frederick's sons were loyal and waited for him to knight & declare them of age. Henry's, on the other hand, clamored for power immediately after being titled, fought each other, revolted against their father, and even allied with his deadliest enemy, the King of France.

If you compare son-for-son (1066-1250) between HRE & Norman/Angevin England, the German sons were always loyal to the family with a few notorious exceptions (Henries V & VII). The Anglo-Normans, however, regularly hated and rebelled against their father, attacked their brothers, and generally squabbled tooth-and-nail over every inch of their dad's realm.

Was it because the Anglo-Normans beat their kids on a regular basis? Henries I & II were known for their thundering "Norman tempers". I know there were other factors with Henry II's kids (Eleanor), but generally-speaking, does anybody know anything about father-son relations during this period?
 
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Originally posted by Txini
also always can send your older nerd son to war to see if with luck he dies or conquers a kingdom you can give him :p [/B]

Will this be possible ? It will be good too "kill" some imbecils so what if there are your sons!
 
Originally posted by Domobran
Will this be possible ? It will be good too "kill" some imbecils so what if there are your sons!

well every noble was a general in his own, inluding the princes, most known one shall be Edward 'the Black Prince'