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Hi folks,

A friend and I are playing a EU game online. Originaly, we had started with EU 1.08 and IGC 1.9, but the game has since been patched on both systems to EU 1.09 and EU 2.1.

I'm playing as Spain. I decided early on I was going to let the Dutch go without a fight. Sure enough, in 1546 revolts erupted all over the Netherlands and in a couple years they took EVERY provience up there.

Problem is, the Netherlands will NOT create as a nation! I'm tried sending in a army to take some proviences and stir up more revolts, changing the tolerance levels, even letting a enemy nation take one and then take it back. Nothing. It's 1560 now and I'd LIKE the Dutch to apear for play balance reasons.

So what's wrong here?

I also thought about replacing Portugal with the Dutch as a major, but since the IGC comes with a handy config option, I forgot how to manualy do that. For some reason, the Dutch are not listed in the IGC config option, so I would have to do it manuarly. But would that create the Netherlands anyway?

Thanks, Greg
 
U have to liberate a province again and let them retake it to make them do the "independence check" again.

Zeeland, Den Hague and Holland are the ones concerned.

It's a bit hard with the IGC to make Holland a major if it isn't there from the start.
 
The same thing happened to me once. I left them alone for so long that they lost their nationalism. This took a good 30-40 years mind you but it is a hell of a lot better than losing them. Just make sure you have enough troops in the neighboring provinces.
 
Playing as Burgandy I converted to reformed and Dutch Nationalism dropped to 1-2%. Which means no revolts with a chief judge. Of course this is not an option if you are playing with Spanish or Austrian control of the Netherlands.
 
Doesn't stop many people.

Do you mean that people go protestant as Spain/Austria just to stop the Dutch riots? Why not just go bankrupt a few dozen times before the John Calvin event? That way your provinces would keep taking population decreases so that when the dutch revolt you can just send in a colonist to change them to Catholic.
 
The way the game is set up, there are very few good reasons for remaining Catholic, other than historical accuracy. (So you lose 50VPs for being HRE. You can make more than that back with your massively-boosted economy and extra settlers.)

Any country you care to name will perform more successfully either as Reformist or Protestant. So, if you're playing to score as many VPs as possible, yes you should convert Spain to protestantism :D
 
Which I don't like at all.

Catholicism really needs sommink extra than an extra diplomat though being the HRE rules. At least CRC is quite handy with all those CBs against evil protestants, but just as other events, it ends way too soon.
 
Don't Spain and the other Catholics get CB on you if you convert? The Spaniards seem to prefer to attack protestants and reformists. Playing Hansa I could not keep the damned Spanish from attacking every 10 years or so. I figured it must be the religion factor.
 
Originally posted by Cosmo
Don't Spain and the other Catholics get CB on you if you convert? The Spaniards seem to prefer to attack protestants and reformists. Playing Hansa I could not keep the damned Spanish from attacking every 10 years or so. I figured it must be the religion factor.
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when you convert, the Catholic world gets a 12-month temporary CB against you. If a Catholic nation converts to CRC, they get a permanent CB against all Protestant/Reformist countries, but only until the Edict of Tolerance.

As BiB said, there simply isn't enough incentive to remain Catholic. Dunno what would be one, though, to offset the huge financial kick the Protestants get (I think this needs downgrading some.)
 
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