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Seems that the only reasons to switch from protestants to reformed is the better morale and one settler per year more, but reformed countries get a HUGE reduce in taxes! They even get less taxes the the catholics (when stability = +3, the generated taxes are equal to the base value)! But the game says the reformed countries get bonuses for long term tax income??? Any comment?
Oh, just forget - I'm very pissed because the random outcome of the battles - I lost a lot of battles having total superiority, incl leaders! And I dont like to play save/load every couple of seconds!
 
Thats true, but not if two pirate ships beats 40% - 50% of the times my esquadron from 10 battleships under the command of capable leader (say 4 4 4 or such) AND with 4-5 times better attributes IN ALL! The battles are a way TOO random solved!.
 
Before I make my silly comment I will try something constructive. How did your navy compare tech wise with your pirate foes? Maybe that was the deciding factor, aside from bad 'die rolls'.

Now for the silly comment-- Must have been some really BIG pirate ships!
 
I was also thinking attrition here. You send in starved sailors into a battle and they wont do well no matter how much tech they have.

Maybe they were out of fresh fruit :)

Marcus
 
Is it just me or do pirates have an unusually high tech level? I keep being beaten senseless by 3-4 pirates, even putting 7-8 warships against them. Thankfully they go away after a wee while, but it's a pain having to chance slipping past them every time.
 
But the game says the reformed countries get bonuses for long term tax income??? Any comment?

Yes, they get higher income.
However, since your stanpoint in another thread seems to be 'to hell with FAQ, everybody in the whole world should answer every one of my questions live ASAP' instead of explaining why/how I'll just say:
Figure it out yourself :mad:
 
I hope I don't sound too ignorant, but could someone explain the difference between protestant and reformed? Not in game mechanics, I understand those. I'd like to know what the difference is from a belief/culture standpoint. Thanks in advance.
 
'Protestant' in this context is basically Lutheranism, plus I supposed the Church of England.

'Reformed' is Calvinism.

Luther was originally a priest, monk and university professor. A big part of his agenda was to reform the worldly corruptions of the late Medieval & Rennaissance Catholic Church, but since they declared him a heretic he had to form a new one. The key beliefs were 'Priesthood of the believers' (clergy are just those who choose to serve fellow Christians, you don't need to recieve sacrements from a specially ordained priest to get to Heaven as taught by Catholic & Orthodox), no source of religious authority but the bible (as opposed to the Pope for Catholics, councils of bishops for Orthodox), and salvation through faith & grace alone (as opposed to any 'works' you do or any clergy does in your name). However, if you attend a Lutheran service the minister is still in robes and chants parts of the service, etc... not unlike a Catholic service.

The Church of England was pretty much the same, except even closer to Catholic in the service and they kept Bishops & the Apostolic Succession (meaning Jesus laid hands on the Apostles, who laid hands on the first generation of Bishops, so on down through today - and Priests have to get ordained by Bishops and you have to recieve sacrements from ordained priests to get to heaven).

John Calvin (Jean Calvin in EU) was lawyer and built on the above, but took a very legalistic look at interpreting the bible. The 'Puritans' and 'Separatists' (like the 'Pilgrims' at Plymouth Rock) were Calvinists. Calvinist services were described as 'four bare walls and a sermon' - no robes, no religious art, no chanting or other 'Popery'. Emphasis was on the majesty and power of God, not on God's love for mankind. One key belief was that since God is all powerful and nothing happens except by His will, then at the beginning of time He 'preordained' who would be saved and who would not. If you are preordained to be saved, you are one of the 'Elect' and won't be able to avoid being a good (Calvinist) Christian. Otherwise, you are toast regardless of your faith or lack thereof. Calvinists tended to be very militant.
 
Just a small addition

no source of religious authority but the bible

One of the most important things about Luther´s Protestantism was that this bible should be translated to the peoples own language opposed to just beeing in latin as it had been untill then. Not only did this remove the local priest as the only one to turn to in religious matters (=> church lost power => church didn't like Luthor), this would also have a huge impact in common people learning to read and write in the following centuries.
 
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Gwap wrote:
Is it just me or do pirates have an unusually high tech level? I keep being beaten senseless by 3-4 pirates, even putting 7-8 warships against them. Thankfully they go away after a wee while, but it's a pain having to chance slipping past them every time.
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Look into the save file. In my game its 1575 and the naval tech of most european countries are 5 to 8. The pirates have a tech level of 14.

Mormegill
 
Mormegill, EEK!! that explains also why they were in the top 5 for VPs for a long time too. Who said that crime doesn't cause innovation!?

Ref IRL Protestantism vs. Calvinism.

I was always taught that Protestantism is a generic term for all Christian churches that aren't Catholic (either Roman or Orthodox). Then, within Protestantism there are a great (read: massive) number of different interpretations. Go and visit The Netherlands and check the Churches sections of any town's Information Guide: 'Nederlands Hervormed', Nederlands Gereformeerd', 'Nederlandse Protestanten Bond', 'Oud-Gereformeerd' (all these are Calvinists, btw), Evangelicals, Lutherans, Old Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, 7th Day Adventists, etc. etc. etc.

Basically, once they split off from Rome, they kept splitting... it's the nature of the beast apparently. :)
 
Gwap, you are absolutely right. Once you eliminate the authority of a priestly hierarchy and empower everyone to interpret the bible for him- or herself, you open the door for constant creation of new denominations. I have read that, on the average, a new denomination forms in the US every three weeks.

Lutheranism and Calvinism were/are both subsets of 'protestant', and EU could just as easily have used those terms except then they would be calling the Church of England Lutheran. In the 1500's & 1600's, though, Catholicism and Lutheranism were seen as rival establishment churches (Anglicanism originated as Henry VIII's attempt to have it both ways - Catholicism without the authority of Rome). Monarchs tended to like Catholicism because it upheld their authority. Nobles tended to like Lutheranism because it upheld the traditional social order while giving them a justification to oppose the growth of central power by (Catholic) monarchs. Calvinism was more revolutionary and anti-establishment, being a middle-class faith that condemned the oppulent lifestyle of both monarchs & nobles. There was another Protestant form called the Anabaptists who were peasant-based and even more radically anti-establishment. They were behind a lot of peasant rebellions in those days, and Luther condemned them.
 
Regarding the statement about 'new' sects every 3 weeks in the US-I would not necessarily state that a new interpretation always results in a new sect-usually, it just results in that church varying slightly from it's fellows in other areas of the country.

For instance, when I was religous (yes, it was a LONG time ago), I was a part of a Friend's Church (commonly referred to as 'Quakers'). They were not very severe, nor were they anything like their Pensylvanian Counterparts (i.e. no decorations, black clothing, etc)-instead, they still preached the same things, but allowed for a more liberal translation in certain areas.
 
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