I think that Spain have the claim on entire Iberia, it is whhat Reconqueria is for after all.
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Originally posted by Dark prince
I think that Spain have the claim on entire Iberia, it is whhat Reconqueria is for after all.
That sounds right to me.
I am wondering, what about Hloy Roman Empire? Do it have CB on all of her land and what she claims? Or England? Or even France?
I guess so. I think that if you are Emperor or King, you get all CB on what is ur country.
there will have to be a sort of random cb given out at times seeing as the game will not flow in a boxed linear fashion as EU...I'm not saying they wont be warranted just that cb's probably will not be that be specific....why would a Norman claim have any greater claim to England than some Saxon noble...or France..is not France just a largish economic entity that can be displaced by some other more determeined entity bent on pressing its ideals and ownership...uniting the provines of modern day France under its crown. In a lot of cases it will be a free for all...noting that ownership of the most land will not always make you the winner...where in piety plays a part in your final score. Through marriages...a Saxon noble may become ruler of the French provinces...now wouldnt that be a turn of events
But take Norway for instance, where almost all the power were in the hands of the King. And when Norway finally did get its reign of glory under Håkon Håkonsson, and its new upper class, it was torn down again by later kings to centralize power. IE, Norway declaring war on Scottland to reclaim the orkneys, sheland islands etc, should result in their shift of hands, not just a new vassal.
I mean, in some instances, outright land shift through war is a must, in some other cases, not.
I mean, in some instances, outright land shift through war is a must, in some other cases, not.
If Norway reclaims the Orkneys, for example, then the King of Norway will most likely have to let them be governed by a Jarl. So technically they will be Norwegian but you as the king will not directly control them.
Should help. I can´t wait to truly unify the HRE.
Hmm perhaps this whole thing could be resolved by having different kind of vassals. Many of us think of vassals as pretty much de facto independent countries which we don´t like. The govenor style of Byzantium appeal much more to me and it should be possible to tighly reign in your vassals to a more close rulership I think. With this there should be severe penalties of course.
If I do not start the game being a king but being a duke. Let say, I gain a title of King, do I also gain all that claims to the nation?
I should think you should. If you gain title you should gain the claims associated with the title.
Will you be able to gain another crown? I mean what if King of England also gain the crown of France, will England get all of CB?
I think so, however, I do not know how the culture works in CK. So maybe you may have claims, do not mean people recognize you.
True, and If you are the King of England and take the title King of France, then the French vassals probably won't reconize you, and "invite" cousin Louis to be King. Also can you claim a title without having that provence? Like the King of England claims the title Duke of Aquaine, because his brother is married to the daughter of the Duke and they have no heirs?
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i hope so, most of the people of the time where having only titulary titles, like the anjou for exemple, who where supposed to be in 1430 king of sicily, naples, jerusalem,.... or the savoy at the same date where count or duc in morea.
all of this claims where of course empty of meaning, since the anjou lost sicily at the sicilian vepres, jerusalem is from a long time out of christian hand at that time, morea is under the power of byzance and venice,.....
most of the peoples of the time had claims like those, hinherited from the past
I suppose on a similar theme, what concept of country was there in 1066?
We are vaguely at teh end of the period when nationalities were sorted out but how strong was any concept of France, England, let alone Italy or a HRE?
Was the lange'oc and lang'eoil (sp?) split still significant? I assume the low, middle and high german still were very real differences. Or are these just the scenery for the game ?
We are vaguely at teh end of the period when nationalities were sorted out but how strong was any concept of France, England, let alone Italy or a HRE?
Was the lange'oc and lang'eoil (sp?) split still significant? I assume the low, middle and high german still were very real differences. Or are these just the scenery for the game ?
Originally posted by Surcouf
i hope so, most of the people of the time where having only titulary titles, like the anjou for exemple, who where supposed to be in 1430 king of sicily, naples, jerusalem,.... or the savoy at the same date where count or duc in morea.
all of this claims where of course empty of meaning, since the anjou lost sicily at the sicilian vepres, jerusalem is from a long time out of christian hand at that time, morea is under the power of byzance and venice,.....
most of the peoples of the time had claims like those, hinherited from the past
Yes, a lot of those titles were bought/sold once the holder realized that they could not conquer the land to which they had the title. I assume that whether you have the land or not, you will get the claim on the land. So if you inherit the title you also inherit the claim. Whether you do anything about the claim is another thing.