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Hi,

I am playing the GC as France and have been in a war with Austria and there allies Wurtemberg and Venice. One of my provinces had rebelled and was now being besieged by Austria. I dispatched an army to it, and in the meanwhile I made a seperate peace with Venice. It was a big surprise when my army arrived in the province and there was no battle and no siege. I looked into it and the province is now under control of Venice! How do I get them out of there if I have peace with them? I don't want another war, and marching armies into the province doesn't help. Is this a bug or have I missed something in the manual (again)?
 
Venice snatched up a free province that you USED to own. A "floater", if you will. Guys do that with each other's ex-wives all the time. I hope the peace terms didn't include ceding three other provinces to Venice.

Look on the bright side: In five years, maybe sooner, you can snatch it back and hopefully Venice will have already promoted legal counsel there (which is probably why it rebelled in the first place). Hey, Venice may even build a manufactury (that's good) or doubled the fortress strength (that's bad).
 
I think you misunderstood. I still own the province, but it is under control by Venice, like it happens when another country wins a siege while at war. I am however not at war with Venice (or anyone else right now). The peace treaty with Venice was just a return to status quo. I was at war with Brandenburg, and they sent an army there, so I was hoping they would besiege it, and then I could take it back from them. Sadly there was no siege, so I am still stuck with a province that I own but not control. The least they could do was give me a permanent Casus Belli against Venice because of this ;)
 
Something to do with it being in rebel hands. Because a Venetian army was in that province, besieging a rebel fort, when the peace treaty is signed control goes to Venice. I'm pretty sure that walking an army in will get it you back.
 
Well, there I was being flippantly unsympathetic earlier in this thread and then the same thing happened to me yesterday (in ver. 1.09 GC): Astrakhan successfully rebelled from me (Russia). I ignored it because I was busy on three fronts (three separate alliances ganged up on me). Crimea (who was at war with me) showed up, took control of Astrakhan and immediately sued for a white peace. Who needs friends when my enemies clean up after me? So I agreed. BUT Crimea retained control of Astrakhan after the white peace. The little map icon of the city showed a Crimean flag waving over the city but the right-click province view showed me as the owner and Crimea as the controller ( in peacetime remember). Also the red-line delineation of nation boundaries showed Astrakhan as within my country. I don't remember if I tried to put an army on the province or not.

Then, something wierder happened: I went to war with Crimea a few years later, took all of Crimea's provinces AND Astrakhan (who had rebelled from the Crimeans also). I went to annex Crimea and it wasn't a menu choice. Instead, I was given the usual list of captured provinces to select three from and noticed that the capital province, Crimea, wasn't on the list. I had captured that province fair and square early in the war and kept it without it changing hands once. Could anyone please explain this away as a non-bug?
 
Crimea sometimes winds up owning a province in Africa somewhere, or a Persian province (or even something in the Balkans) having fought with Turkey and provided a leader in the siege. If you haven't found, and conquered, that province, you can't annex.

Failing this, it could just be a bug :D
 
The point about Crimea having a province far from Russia's sight is plausible. I had noticed that Crimea's armies all marched off to the west with Turkish armies prior to my own DOW on Crimea (merely a coincidence, I assure you). There's probably some low-rent, land-locked province out there producing four ducats worth of salt a year waving the Crimean flag over its hovel. Can't really afford to build up a low-tech navy and try something amphibious right now though. I'll try to be satisfied with all of Crimea's provinces minus the capital and "mystery" provinces (for now). Thanks.
 
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