is there any difference between playing as a pirate faction and Ironborn? they both can go raiding and get invasion CBs right? But what about their process for choosing leaders, is it the same?
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Mostly. However, Ironborn get something called a "King's Moot" instead of an elected monarchy. Im not too sure about the mechanics of it but the flavor text is pretty cool.
Oh, and pirates are constantly having tiny rebellions called "mutinies" going off. Also, every non-pirate HATES them. Their base lands are dirt poor but they get a special building to compensate for that called a pirate's den. Their religion has no events or special modifiers and its hard to convert a county to it.
On the plus side, pirates are a very independent lot so if you have the military might you can quickly conqueror them one by one and establish yourself as king. They also have alot of rich, diverse, and small neighbors to pillage from. Its alot less story driven and family lines dont mean as much. Im not exactly sure about this but I think your heir needs to have a high baseline martial or combat skill to inherit without your vassals revolting.
Oh, and pirates are constantly having tiny rebellions called "mutinies" going off. Also, every non-pirate HATES them. Their base lands are dirt poor but they get a special building to compensate for that called a pirate's den. Their religion has no events or special modifiers and its hard to convert a county to it.
On the plus side, pirates are a very independent lot so if you have the military might you can quickly conqueror them one by one and establish yourself as king. They also have alot of rich, diverse, and small neighbors to pillage from. Its alot less story driven and family lines dont mean as much. Im not exactly sure about this but I think your heir needs to have a high baseline martial or combat skill to inherit without your vassals revolting.
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Thanks LightSong, I appreciate your well written response, I was hoping someone like you could tell me and save me some hours before I started out a new game as them only to realize I wish I had played as Ironborn instead, and you've helped out immensely.
Its actually more fun than you'd think. You dont have to worry about becoming independent from The Iron Throne or (if you succeed) about The Iron Throne declaring a de-jure war to subjugate you. You also have ALOT more opportunities to pillage and gather gold and slaves. You're limited to only thralls as a vanilla ironborn. If you're interested you can make an Ironborn Pirate character and be quite meta. Im not sure if any of the usual Ironborn events will stick around but it could be interesting to find out.
You are not limited to thralls as a pirate. At least, once you reach king-tier you can change slavery laws to full if you so desire. The downside, though, is that pirates don't get the event to taking a valyrian steel sword from a won siege. Which is sad and an overview, I would think.
Also, the special pirate building (pirate den/pirate port) can be built in any holding of a pirate, so if say, you conquer Lys as a pirate you can build pirate dens on top of the castles and ports of Lys and get potentially unstoppable
I think Lightsong was talking about Ironborn, which start with Thralldom but can easily change to Chattel Slavery like you said. Pirates start with chattel slavery.
Yeah. I conquered Tyrosh and between a level 5 pirate den and level 5 slave camp I had over 30k troops in that one province. You can conqueror the world with an army of pirates. It ain't hard, just annoying. The more lands you vassalize the more mutinies you have to deal with and for some reason non of your vassals put much of a priority in upgrading pirate dens. Most of the time they just get left alone at level two by the NPC rulers.
I've noticed the same, I became pirate king, and conquored Lys, tyrosh, and Myr. With Tyrosh province I have 30k troops alone! You do become very powerful very fast. However I do notice some bugginess with the Pirate kingdoms. One example is the succession laws, which say that the strongest son inherits, however in my game it always seems to go the the eldest no matter that his younger brother has higher martial ratings and better traits.
Another issue is that I have at the moment 4 kingdoms, the islands, myr, tyrosh and Lys, and all with medium crown strength, however some of my vassals have done "pirate invasions" of other vassals, which I think should not be possible.
Another issue is that I have at the moment 4 kingdoms, the islands, myr, tyrosh and Lys, and all with medium crown strength, however some of my vassals have done "pirate invasions" of other vassals, which I think should not be possible.
Some interesting feedback on piracy here. I tend to think becoming immensely powerful as a pirate is a bit too easy atm. Might try and restrict the invasion CB a bit and lessen the strength of the pirate dens.
For testing, does anyone have a save where they are a powerful Pirate King with multiple king titles they could upload?
No level of crown authority bans vassal wars in this mod. You can only demand they stop wars with medium or above, and politely request with less than medium.
For testing, does anyone have a save where they are a powerful Pirate King with multiple king titles they could upload?
No level of crown authority bans vassal wars in this mod. You can only demand they stop wars with medium or above, and politely request with less than medium.
I think (haven't looked at it now) that 'strongest' means who has the most/best landed titles (like the muslims do in vanilla).