Question about “Someone Else”

[HoustonPatrician]

Hi, am I doing something wrong here? This event “someone else” where you are suspicious of your wife cheating. It goes off constantly. Like for each ruler I have it can easily trigger a dozen times in their life. Whichever option I pick it keeps triggering. She’s almost never cheating but it keeps asking me again and again even with the same characters. Is there any way to prevent this? Frankly at this point I don’t care if she is cheating I’m just tired of my character getting suspicious an every 12 months.

 

[frostbiyt]

I think it's trait dependent. Paranoid obviously, but I think there are others as well, because I've experienced similar for small stretches of time even when I don't have paranoid.

 

[InsidiousMage]

No, the devs just think that potential cheating is the greatest kind of drama imaginable and thus this event occurs constantly. But, yeah, there is not much more to it than that - false drama, the only kind of drama the devs care about.

 

[Miridan]

If you have Trusting trait or convert to/create faith that has Polyamory tenet, then this event will NEVER trigger.
If you are Paranoid, then this event will ALWAYS trigger.
If you are none of the above, then it depends on your consort(s): it will trigger if they are Lustful or Seducer or actually cheated on you.

 

[HP Delron]

If you have Trusting trait or convert to/create faith that has Polyamory tenet, then this event will NEVER trigger.
If you are Paranoid, then this event will ALWAYS trigger.
If you are none of the above, then it depends on your consort(s): it will trigger if they are Lustful or Seducer or actually cheated on you.

That explains why I almost never see this event. Lustful is a non-starter of a trait on a spouse, and I usually prefer Martial or Stewardship education on spouses. Paranoid is one of those life-worse-than-death traits too, like shy.

Basically, it's not the devs being obsessed with "False Drama" and more about not marrying the girl your queen mother warned you about.

 

[SMiki Lorebringer]

not marrying the girl your queen mother warned you about

But what if the seducer countess is kinda hot

 

[GhostDanny]

This is why I prefer playing as a female ruler, gotta love the womb control as a female ruler.

Where you don't really care which guy is the father, you can guarantee all kids are yours...

 

[heliostellar]

I've noticed an uptick in this super annoying event chain... and I see it almost every character since Khans of the Steppe dropped.

It doesn't matter what personality traits my character has. None of the characters I've played recently had the Paranoid trait and still got the event.

 

[HP Delron]

I've noticed an uptick in this super annoying event chain... and I see it almost every character since Khans of the Steppe dropped.

It doesn't matter what personality traits my character has. None of the characters I've played recently had the Paranoid trait and still got the event.

Per Miridan's post, you being paranoid is just one of the checks.

If your spouse is lustful or seducer, this will also trigger regardless of you're paranoid or not - presumably because you have good cause to suspicious.
If your spouse is not lustful and not a seducer, the event triggering means they actually cheated and the game is just giving you a chance to prove it.

All together this means you will not see the event if ALL of the following is true:

• You are not paranoid.
• Your spouse is not lustful or seducer.
• Your spouse is faithful.

As for the last point. Highly Honorable (per their personality type) spouses will generally not readily cheat. Soulmates will not generally cheat. Chaste will not generally cheat. So if you don't want to this event spammed don't marry obvious floozies and don't be paranoid.

If you hate it and basically never want to see it, in addition make sure your spouse is honorable or your soulmate (not just non-lustful). As if you've got a bunch lustful hunks running around, ordinary women just won't be able to resist.

IIRC, there's still a small handful of edge-case events that bypass those precautions, as they relate to events generated by lustful courtiers. However these aren't constant. So doing the above you should be able to go entire lifetimes, even multiple without seeing it.

 

[heliostellar]

If you have Trusting trait or convert to/create faith that has Polyamory tenet, then this event will NEVER trigger.
If you are Paranoid, then this event will ALWAYS trigger.
If you are none of the above, then it depends on your consort(s): it will trigger if they are Lustful or Seducer or actually cheated on you.

I think it's bugged. I've had it happen despite all of this. Specifically, it happens every time I play at Temujian with his wife Borte. As far as I can tell, she doesn't spawn with the necessary traits.

Per Miridan's post, you being paranoid is just one of the checks.

If your spouse is lustful or seducer, this will also trigger regardless of you're paranoid or not - presumably because you have good cause to suspicious.
If your spouse is not lustful and not a seducer, the event triggering means they actually cheated and the game is just giving you a chance to prove it.

All together this means you will not see the event if ALL of the following is true:

• You are not paranoid.
• Your spouse is not lustful or seducer.
• Your spouse is faithful.

As for the last point. Highly Honorable (per their personality type) spouses will generally not readily cheat. Soulmates will not generally cheat. Chaste will not generally cheat. So if you don't want to this event spammed don't marry obvious floozies and don't be paranoid.

If you hate it and basically never want to see it, in addition make sure your spouse is honorable or your soulmate (not just non-lustful). As if you've got a bunch lustful hunks running around, ordinary women just won't be able to resist.

IIRC, there's still a small handful of edge-case events that bypass those precautions, as they relate to events generated by lustful courtiers. However these aren't constant. So doing the above you should be able to go entire lifetimes, even multiple without seeing it.

And yet lately I'm seeing it all the time.... possibly because Temujian starts with multiple RIVALS. However, if it's a matter of the AI getting an unlimited number of dice roll chances to sleep with your wife then Seduction is broken again like it was in CK2.

 

[vandevere]

I think it's bugged. I've had it happen despite all of this. Specifically, it happens every time I play at Temujian with his wife Borte. As far as I can tell, she doesn't spawn with the necessary traits.



And yet lately I'm seeing it all the time.... possibly because Temujian starts with multiple RIVALS. However, if it's a matter of the AI getting an unlimited number of dice roll chances to sleep with your wife then Seduction is broken again like it was in CK2.

They need to follow the Three strikes and you're out Rule. As it is now, with unlimited dice roll chances, there's literally no chance of a seduction attempt failure...

 

[HP Delron]

I think it's bugged. I've had it happen despite all of this. Specifically, it happens every time I play at Temujian with his wife Borte. As far as I can tell, she doesn't spawn with the necessary traits.



And yet lately I'm seeing it all the time.... possibly because Temujian starts with multiple RIVALS. However, if it's a matter of the AI getting an unlimited number of dice roll chances to sleep with your wife then Seduction is broken again like it was in CK2.

He's not paranoid, and she's not lustful or or seducer. Meaning that she is fooling around in this case. Checking the numbers, she's harder to seduce as she has the -50 honor modifier, which makes seduction hard but not impossible.

You may just be hitting back luck with regard to guys with good seduction traits.

If your rivals are determined seducers then that could generate a circumstance where she's just constantly just getting pounded really hard by seduction attempts, and bunch of them are penetrating the honor penalty just by sheer numbers.

In most cases where you're needing to ward off the occasional attempt by a horny courtier the -50 will be pretty damn secure.

It's worth noting that while I kind of lumped Soulmate in with honorable & chase, it's actually much stronger.

 

[heliostellar]

He's not paranoid, and she's not lustful or or seducer. Meaning that she is fooling around in this case. Checking the numbers, she's harder to seduce as she has the -50 honor modifier, which makes seduction hard but not impossible.
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You may just be hitting back luck with regard to guys with good seduction traits.

If your rivals are determined seducers then that could generate a circumstance where she's just constantly just getting pounded really hard by seduction attempts, and bunch of them are penetrating the honor penalty just by sheer numbers.

In most cases where you're needing to ward off the occasional attempt by a horny courtier the -50 will be pretty damn secure.

It's worth noting that while I kind of lumped Soulmate in with honorable & chase, it's actually much stronger.

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Bad luck? Literally started this game just after my last reply... and right on cue!! I have done about 4-5 replays (as Temujian) because I am heavily RPing the game. EVERY TIME I GOT THIS EVENT!

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[heliostellar]

They need to follow the Three strikes and you're out Rule. As it is now, with unlimited dice roll chances, there's literally no chance of a seduction attempt failure...

CK2 could not find a way to eliminate the rapid fire seduction attempts and literally had to make a game rule over this because people were so irate.

 

[vandevere]

If your rivals are determined seducers then that could generate a circumstance where she's just constantly just getting pounded really hard by seduction attempts, and bunch of them are penetrating the honor penalty just by sheer numbers.

That's what I was referring to about seducers getting unlimited seduction attempts. No means no means absolutely nothing in this game.

What it amounts to is Seduce? no, Seduce? no. Seduce? no.

It's like the Simpsons Arewethereyetarewethereyetarewethereyetarewethereyet...

And it goes on and on and on, until the seducee finally says yes, because the seducer will literally not stop until she does.

Please, institute that three strikes and you're out Rule.

 

[HP Delron]

Bad luck? Literally started this game just after my last reply... and right on cue!! I have done about 4-5 replays (as Temujian) because I am heavily RPing the game. EVERY TIME I GOT THIS EVENT!

Spoiler

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Yeah. Bad luck happens. The only other thing I could think of is it being some character specific custom Trigger for Temujin specifically. If there's some historical tidbit about his wife being unfaithful I can see them just coding in a special event where his wife *always* cheats sometime in the first few years of playthrough.[/spoiler]

That's what I was referring to about seducers getting unlimited seduction attempts. No means no means absolutely nothing in this game.

What it amounts to is Seduce? no, Seduce? no. Seduce? no.

It's like the Simpsons Arewethereyetarewethereyetarewethereyetarewethereyet...

And it goes on and on and on, until the seducee finally says yes, because the seducer will literally not stop until she does.

Please, institute that three strikes and you're out Rule.

You don't get unlimited attempts though. There's a lengthy cooldown after a failure, limiting the number attempts a given party can make during the natural length of a marriage. If you're picking up as a ruler in his mid-30s, any given competition might only get 3 attempts in your lifetime to begin with.

Further while it's true there's a floor on seduction attempts, unless they're fully dedicated in the tree they're likely to hit a critical failure and permanent lockout before success:

Limiting a given party to 3 attempts would do nothing to really curb things. As the only way for enough attempts to be happening to get on minimum-chance rolls without hitting the forever-lockout is a gaggle of different people trying to seduce the same target.

At which point it needs to be a "3 strikes of anyone trying, and everyone else is out forever" which just feels odd. You could make the 5% minimum only for players I suppose, if it's a real bother.

EDIT: Whoops, double-post. Sorry about that.

 

[Voy]

I tried to curb this event by limiting seduction scheme initiators to only lustful characters, and I still got it way too much. Perhaps there should be a check to see if your ruler would even suspect anything. What if it were dependent on intrigue? Feels like that goes hand in hand.

 

[HoustonPatrician]

Yeah. Bad luck happens. The only other thing I could think of is it being some character specific custom Trigger for Temujin specifically. If there's some historical tidbit about his wife being unfaithful I can see them just coding in a special event where his wife *always* cheats sometime in the first few years of playthrough.[/spoiler]




You don't get unlimited attempts though. There's a lengthy cooldown after a failure, limiting the number attempts a given party can make during the natural length of a marriage. If you're picking up as a ruler in his mid-30s, any given competition might only get 3 attempts in your lifetime to begin with.

Further while it's true there's a floor on seduction attempts, unless they're fully dedicated in the tree they're likely to hit a critical failure and permanent lockout before success:

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Limiting a given party to 3 attempts would do nothing to really curb things. As the only way for enough attempts to be happening to get on minimum-chance rolls without hitting the forever-lockout is a gaggle of different people trying to seduce the same target.

At which point it needs to be a "3 strikes of anyone trying, and everyone else is out forever" which just feels odd. You could make the 5% minimum only for players I suppose, if it's a real bother.

EDIT: Whoops, double-post. Sorry about that.

Wow. So my wife really is just constantly being seduced. Crazy. I guess I will start soul mating every one to hopefully remove the spam. Beyond that I would be fine just having an option to say “forget it” and not get anymore events regarding that

 

[heliostellar]

Wow. So my wife really is just constantly being seduced. Crazy. I guess I will start soul mating every one to hopefully remove the spam. Beyond that I would be fine just having an option to say “forget it” and not get anymore events regarding that

There actually are several options to "forget it," but the events still persist...

 

[InsidiousMage]

One, there is definitely something weird going with either the event or seductions schemes because I finally got around to playing KotS this past week and the event triggered for almost every ruler I had and sometimes multiple times per ruler do to multiple spouses or concubines.

Two, the event is bad, and points to a real problem with the game, because your wife or concubine cheating should be something you expect them do if you've played the game long enough. Wives exists in CK3 to have children and cheat on their husbands. Those are the two major interactions you will have with them while playing the game which means that them cheating on you isn't dramatic or shocking, its ordinary, something you expect and thus cease to care about because it becomes routine. It part of a general problem with events where it feels like devs think something nonsensical, to varying degrees, or something becoming repetitive is better than something not happening at all.