Question about the updated Timurid set

[Garbon]

I'm wondering if anyone has anything on the validity of this new blue and white set for the Timurid Empire. Although I've seen a bunch of sites that host source images that match this, I've yet to see any text that actually explains out about this flag. The only testimony that I've been able to find about Timur's emblem is this, which doesn't really match this flag:

The special armorial bearing of Timur is the Three Circlets set... to shape a triangle, which same it is said signifies that he Timur is lord of all Three Quarters of the World. This device Timur has ordered to be set on the coins that he has struck, and on all buildings that he has erected, and it is for that reason, as I opine, that those buildings [bearing the emblem of the Lion and the Sun] were built by a lord who reigned before the time of Timur. These three circlets which, as said, are like the letter 0 thrice repeated to form a triangle, further are the imprint of Timur's seal, and again by his special order are added so as to be seen patent on all the coins struck by those princes who are become tributary to his government.

If anything the old Timurid set matches the 'o' like shape of these described circlets. And then beyond that one blue and white flag image, of which I have concerns, I can't seem to find any confirmation of a connection between blue and Timur beyond the fact that the color was used heavily in the architecture of Samarkand. Anyone?

 

[bombshellboi]

I'm wondering if anyone has anything on the validity of this new blue and white set for the Timurid Empire. Although I've seen a bunch of sites that host source images that match this, I've yet to see any text that actually explains out about this flag. The only testimony that I've been able to find about Timur's emblem is this, which doesn't really match this flag:



If anything the old Timurid set matches the 'o' like shape of these described circlets. And then beyond that one blue and white flag image, of which I have concerns, I can't seem to find any confirmation of a connection between blue and Timur beyond the fact that the color was used heavily in the architecture of Samarkand. Anyone?

Actually as far as I was aware the "New" Timurid set was actually the flag/shield of a muslim state in the Daghestan province...

 

[Garbon]

Actually as far as I was aware the "New" Timurid set was actually the flag/shield of a muslim state in the Daghestan province...

We're both speaking of this one? (This is the one I'm taking issue with)

 

[Birger]

You should talk to MKJ he's an expert on these kind of things.

 

[Mad King James]

Turkish historians widely state that this was the flag of the Timurid Empire, as included in their 'sixteen turkish empires'.

However, recently I've been scrutinizing the authenticity of these flags...
There is another flag attributed to Timur as well:

as quoted:

Tamerlan, the scourge of Asia, wanted (? providing souloit is indeed vouloit, the ancient form of voulait) to hoist his three-coloured ensigns, white, red and black, colours of peace, blood and death.

The full source is: Cleirac, Estienne: Explication des termes de marine employés dans les dicts, ordonaces et réglemens de l'admirat ... Jacques Mongiron Millanges, Bordeaux, 1647. -4to, First edition 1636.

I suppose that Cleirac based his remarks on the travel-book of Ruy Gonzalez de Clavijo, who travelled to the court of Timur 1403-1406, and wrote: the Historia del gran Tamurlan e itinerario, which appeared in the Hakluyt series in English translation in 1859 (1st series, no. 26).

 

[Garbon]

Turkish historians widely state that this was the flag of the Timurid Empire, as included in their 'sixteen turkish empires'.

However, recently I've been scrutinizing the authenticity of these flags...
There is another flag attributed to Timur as well:

as quoted:

Yea actually what got me looking into this was I found an online translated version of Ruy Gonzalez de Clavijo's work. A condensed version but nonetheless interesting. Thats where I got that passage from, which doesn't really seem to match that set we have now...sort of more validates that previous invented one. And then yea, I didn't really see any mention of that strange looking one.

On the Sixteen Turkish empires bit, I've seen that, but like I never really see any more statement on it then here's and image and a blip about Timur. Nothing that really discusses the banner.

 

[Mad King James]

Timur used the three dots in a triangle as his personal symbol of authority. He struck it on all of his coinage, and it is a central motif on his architecture.
http://members.aol.com/dkaplan888/tame.htm

 

[Garbon]

Timur used the three dots in a triangle as his personal symbol of authority. He struck it on all of his coinage, and it is a central motif on his architecture.
http://members.aol.com/dkaplan888/tame.htm

Uh huh, and those look a lot more like rings then the filled in circles of the current set. I was just wondering if there was anything beyond that one particular image that links Timur to this blue flag that doesn't feature circlets/rings but rather filled in circular shapes.