questions about sub warfare here

[Eugenioso]

in your mod, it seems that the submarines have been completely nerfed in every aspect.

ok, to be fair they are useful at blowing away fleets that are powerful and underequipped with destroyers, but thats it.

it seems that if i want to destroy the UK through convoy blockade the enemy fighters destroy my subs right away, and even then they never do much damage to shipping anyway.

as the US, i tried to use my subs to destroy the enemy shipping, but hell if i got anything it was a prize. i had a fleet of 120 ships plus the submarines running around trying to mess up the enemy trade routes and nothing! it was ridiculous.

 

[Lord de Seis 85]

You need to spread them out over the atlantic in small groups, a convoy can go to other provinces to avoid one area being raided.

To avoid planes you should have the convoy raiding set to "night" when you do the mission. I have managed to destroy all of the UK's transport ships in its convoy pool before but they have so much stockpiled it usually doesn't matter.

 

[Eugenioso]

i gotta say that in WIF i have found that since subs take ages to finish and are quite expensive, not to talk about research, i usually just forfeit them.

however now with titanium maybe ill give subs another crack

 

[Fernando Torres]

You really want to avoid using large fleet, they are subject to huge penalties.

 

[Eugenioso]

i just finished a game with germany where i got my ass kicked by russia of course.

the whole problem was the goddamn subs. my subs.

i took out about 500 convoys from the brits, and nothing.

it took me about 70 IC not just to make, but to fix em.

wasted time and ic on building them instead of on more better units.

by the time barbarossa came i had a mere 130 divs including my allies. i got my ass handed to me.

from now on im gonna do what i have done all my life: forget subs.

 

[Lord de Seis 85]

As Fernando said never use them in stacks... If you are going to use them I send them in groups of 1 or 2 and spread them as far as their range will go. They can be quite devastating to brit convoy's but as I said the UK always has so much stockpiled by 1940 (I don't usually send subs out tell I hold France) that it is pointless. The one system I liked in HoI was that country trading required convoys....

You are right though Eugenioso, they are a waste of IC in the long run. If you want to hurt the UK build a small fleet (with Transports), 3-6 Transport planes and 3-6 Paratroop Divisions. I found that doing sealion with a Paratroop/Amphibious landing (usually Dover) was not all that difficult, the problem can be finishing them off by the time winter sets in.